Sex abuse in church

[chocolatepuppy]

I believe that research has shown, time and again, that rape is NOT a sexual issue.

Molestation is not a sexual issue...it is a deviant mindset.

Being gay does not make someone a pedophile. There is simply no relation to one's sexual preference and molestation. Gays like men or women....pedophiles like CHILDREN.

Allowing or disallowing priests to marry doesn't alter the deviant mindset of molestation. Molestation is NOT caused by some pent up sexual frustration.

Wacked is wacked...whether you are married or not.

Excellent post...I agree 100%

[RICHARD]

RICHARD!


I'm not Catholic, and I don't really understand why priests can't marry, although I am not sure if letting them marry would make a difference. Pedophiles are everywhere, I'm sorry to say. They are attracted to children, they understand that society thinks it's wrong but they don't; they actually see it as 'loving' children. Ever hear of NAMBLA? Google it sometime, if you can stomach it. This is a serious problem all over the world.

LOL, Not THAT rectory....

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Howard Stern used to do a rant/bit about NAMBLA. Those are some sick people.

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I find it funny that so many women have opinions on boys being abused. I'd feel daunted to comment about women being raped.

I never have heard about women being raped by nuns. The nuns I remember were ugly.


Anyway.

Child abusers are opportunists.

It really has to do with putting themselves in a place where they can abuse kids (boys) with the least scrutiny.

If you want to steal car parts, you don't work at Victoria's Secret.

If you want to steal CDs, you don't work at McDonald's.


People put way too much thought into the idea that priests, coaches, teachers abuse kids.

I worked with a few doctors in my time and was not surprised that they were hop/speed/dope heads.

It just makes getting drugs that much easier.

Same thing with the way things roll in real life.

There was a female teacher here in El Lay that got caught banging around with a student. She turned herself in because she was feeling guilty. Men are wired differently, some of us don't give a shoot.

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The Catholic Church runs on fear and humiliation.

God is always watching you and you will go to he!! for simple stuff., That used to be hammered into you soul while you were at school. If you came home and told mom about something the priests pulled off, chances are you'd get cuffed about the ear and told to shut up and pray to god for lying.

Had a convo with my mom about priests in her time and just recently when the allegations here in El Lay came up.

I heard the stories about a priest back in the 40's/50's who had tales told of his 'transgressions' and how the church bounced his nasty arse out to another parish/area.

She also told me of another recent priest, at the church they had dances at. Seems he was a lady's man and like to hug the woman. And the women loved him because he was handsome and wore a uniform.

There also was a priest that impregnated a couple of girls, I can't comment on that story, because I have no woman parts.

I have seen them close up, but still cannot comment about them.

There's way too much generalization when it comes to classifying the crimes.
Let's just call a pig, a pig and deal with it accordingly.

The law kinda lumps them all into a group and they are all give general penalties.

I am just talking about the males, I can't comment on the hot teachers, that most of us boys fantasized about.

I do have a great 6th grade story about my hot CATHOLIC SCHOOL teacher.

But, I digress......


The problem is simple. It's just like any organization.

If the employees are acting stupid, the company hides it.

Our moral outrage is adjusted by who they are and what crime they have commited and who they have commited them against.

Kids should be protected. That is a given.

Most of the people that were molested years ago and kept their mouths shut for decades? I have a problem with them. I found out that god don't give no one a pass for so long, keeping theirs mouths shut was THEIR sin. I would have shouted it from the mountain tops.

(NO, I DO NOT BLAME THEM FOR THE ABUSE. I BLAME them for living a screwed up life and not doing anything about it sooner....)

CMs mostly prey on the kids that start out at the back of the pack. They sweep up the stragglers in marathon of life. We just have to take care of our own and never let the children be the 'last'.

Part of the problem is putting so much trust into cops, priests, doctors and some of the politicians we have right now in Washington.

LOL, I had toss that in.

[Catty1]

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...ower.html#more

Truth To Power

18 Mar 2010 08:45 pm


BENEDICT AndreasSolaro:Getty

From: The Atlantic

Hans Kung, the greatest Catholic theologian of our time:

Is it not time for Pope Benedict XVI himself to acknowledge his share of responsibility, instead of whining about a campaign against his person? No other person in the Church has had to deal with so many cases of abuse crossing his desk. Here are some reminders:

In his eight years as a professor of theology in Regensburg, in close contact with his brother Georg, the capellmeister of the Regensburger Domspatzen, Ratzinger can hardly have been ignorant about what went on in the choir and its boarding--school. This was much more than an occasional slap in the face, there are charges of serious physical violence and even sexual abuse.

In his five years as Archbishop of Munich, repeated cases of sexual abuse at least by one priest transferred to his Archdiocese have come to light. His loyal Vicar General, my classmate Gerhard Gruber, has taken full responsibility for the handling of this case, but that is hardly an excuse for the Archbishop, who is ultimately responsible for the administration of his diocese.

In his 24 years as Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, from around the world, all cases of grave sexual offences by clerics had to be reported, under strictest secrecy ("secretum pontificum"), to his curial office, which was exclusively responsible for dealing with them. Ratzinger himself, in a letter on "grave sexual crimes" addressed to all the bishops under the date of 18 May, 2001, warned the bishops, under threat of ecclesiastical punishment, to observe "papal secrecy" in such cases.

In his five years as Pope, Benedict XVI has done nothing to change this practice with all its fateful consequences.

Honesty demands that Joseph Ratzinger himself, the man who for decades has been principally responsible for the worldwide cover-up, at last pronounce his own "mea culpa".

As Bishop Tebartz van Elst of Limburg, in a radio address on March 14, put it: "Scandalous wrongs cannot be glossed over or tolerated, we need a change of attitude that makes room for the truth. Conversion and repentance begin when guilt is openly admitted, when contrition1 is expressed in deeds and manifested as such, when responsibility is taken, and the chance for a new beginning is seized upon."

(Photo: Andreas Solari/AFP/Getty.)

[wombat2u2004]

Excellent post...I agree 100%

I don't !!!!
As usual, every separate perversion is neatly tucked away in little boxes with labels and pink ribbons around them, looks great on someone's bookshelf.
Rape is not a sexual issue ??? Who's the bright spark who thought that one up ??? I don't give a damn much about researchers, their opinions usually change with the seasons (and with how many bucks they can get).
Rape is a sexual issue !!!! It's about domination, sexual release, cruelty, abuse....but mostly, it is simply about sex.

Now onto the mainsteam of this thread............

The questions are.....How were the perversions of these people fostered ????
What are the real reasons why they have become the way they are ???
What can society do about them ???
Any answers ????

I can remember reading of a particular court case about some very high ranking English men who gathered monthly and committed sexual torture on whoever of that group was selected. A doctor was always in attendance to make sure that things never got too far (he was the one who broke down and spilled the beans to the public.)
Now, how was it that those men became what they are ????
Are you ready for this ?????
They were educated at British Public Schools....boarding schools of all boys.
No girls.....just all boys. And I don't know if you have any knowledge of what went on in those places.....but I do.....they were naught but male brothels, a breeding ground for a decadent upper class who practice horrific sexual acts on each other, and then released to commit the same outside of the system.

So how come children are sexually abused within the Catholic Church system by priests ??? (Where the priests are not allowed to be married. Surely those priests have built up sexual frustration).
How come boys are abused in the British Public School system by both their teachers and peers ??? (Where usually the teachers are unmarried and live in the same dorms as the boys, supposedly to instill in them their whacked out form of discipline. Surely they have built up sexual frustration.....including the boys who attend those institutions.)
Further.....how come that sexual abuse DOES NOT happen here where I come from ???? My city is full of private colleges, both male and female, in fact my daughter attends one of them. No abuse here. But then again....all of the teachers and dorm staff that I know, are all married !!!!!

So where are all these whackoes ??? All the sexual abusers ????
None here !!!!
But then again....they're married, probably happily, have families of their own.
No problems.

You know.....it's pretty simple when you stand back and look at the situation and not have your mind cluttered with research reports of information that in most cases are 99% preamble.

As Catty1 said "If a number of these priests came up through the ranks after being members of a Catholic congregation with a pedophile priest, they will abuse also."

I can't argue with that one.

[wombat2u2004]

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...ower.html#more

Ratzinger has been hiding this stuff for years.

[Marigold2]

I thought that the pope before this one was a kind and holy man, this one I believe is evil. He reminds me so much of the Emporer in Star Wars. Evil hiding behind a hood. He should be tried and sent to jail.

[Miss Z]

How come boys are abused in the British Public School system by both their teachers and peers ??? (Where usually the teachers are unmarried and live in the same dorms as the boys, supposedly to instill in them their whacked out form of discipline.

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So where are all these whackoes ??? All the sexual abusers ????
None here !!!!
No problems.

What dookie.

On the topic, I do wonder how far the good old Pontifex fancied 'papal secrecy' would extend? In his several high-profile positions, he MUST have known someone would tell on him eventually, surely?

[RICHARD]

I can remember reading of a particular court case about some very high ranking English men who gathered monthly and committed sexual torture on whoever of that group was selected. A doctor was always in attendance to make sure that things never got too far (he was the one who broke down and spilled the beans to the public.)

Was that covered under Brit health care rules?

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And why the break in the "secret double probation" rules?

[Karen]

Further.....how come that sexual abuse DOES NOT happen here where I come from ???? My city is full of private colleges, both male and female, in fact my daughter attends one of them. No abuse here. But then again....all of the teachers and dorm staff that I know, are all married !!!!!

So where are all these whackoes ??? All the sexual abusers ????
None here !!!!
But then again....they're married, probably happily, have families of their own.
No problems.

Just because you don't hear about it doesn't mean it doesn't happen, Wom. Sad to say, where there are enough human beings, things can happen.

http://www.clergyabuseaustralia.org/

[wombat2u2004]

Was that covered under Brit health care rules?

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And why the break in the "secret double probation" rules?

Hee hee. You should have read what these guys did to themselves

[wombat2u2004]

Just because you don't hear about it doesn't mean it doesn't happen, Wom. Sad to say, where there are enough human beings, things can happen.

http://www.clergyabuseaustralia.org/

I agree.
But if for instance, a teacher in my daughters college was found guilty of such behaviour, then that person would be probably locked up and the key thrown away. And I'm sure the college and the staff would not support that individual in any manner.
But if it was a Catholic institution.....they'd remove him from my town and send him to your town.
Isn't the whole point of the matter to be rid of these people out of the community ???

[Marigold2]

Yes John that is the idea. Lock them up to keep our children safe. The pope should go to prison for his part in this. Wearing a robe and a cross doesn't give you free reign to abuse children. He needs to go to jail.

I agree.
But if for instance, a teacher in my daughters college was found guilty of such behaviour, then that person would be probably locked up and the key thrown away. And I'm sure the college and the staff would not support that individual in any manner.
But if it was a Catholic institution.....they'd remove him from my town and send him to your town.
Isn't the whole point of the matter to be rid of these people out of the community ???

[smokey the elder]

I don't think a priest who commits ANY crime should be sheltered by the Church. They should be bound to the law(s) of the land.

IMO, raised Protestant, now Pagan, I think this business of celibacy among the clergy of the Catholic Church is inhuman and inhumane. This is not how human beings are built. The survival drives (hunger and sex) are among the strongest in any animal, Homo sapiens sapiens included. Suppress either of these and drastic consequences can result!

[wombat2u2004]

I don't think a priest who commits ANY crime should be sheltered by the Church. They should be bound to the law(s) of the land.

IMO, raised Protestant, now Pagan, I think this business of celibacy among the clergy of the Catholic Church is inhuman and inhumane. This is not how human beings are built. The survival drives (hunger and sex) are among the strongest in any animal, Homo sapiens sapiens included. Suppress either of these and drastic consequences can result!

Bang on old mate....bang on !!!! This is what I have been saying all along.

[pomtzu]

Bang on old mate....bang on !!!! This is what I have been saying all along.

Ditto!!!!