Sex abuse in church

[wombat2u2004]

Obama is hiding teachers who target children in our schools. If you need proof...

He named NAMBLA approved Arne Duncan as Education Czar.

Google NAMBLA if you really want to be pissed off.

Nambla is a dead horse.......
"Since 1995, public criticism and law enforcement infiltration have heavily impaired the organization. Its national headquarters now consists of little more than a private mail box service in San Francisco, and they rarely respond to inquiries. Some reports state that the group no longer has regular national meetings, and that as of the late 1990s to avoid local police infiltration, the organization discouraged the formation of local chapters"

Public criticism toward NAMBLA ?? Because the people don't want pedohiles.
Law Enforcement Infiltration into NAMBLA ?? Because what they propose is against the law.
Catholic Church criticism ?? Because the people don't want pedophiles.
Law Enforcement in the Catholic church ?? None !!!!

[Marigold2]

And so Blue should this also then be the fate of the priets and the pope?

What do I have wrong? I have stated, anybody who abuses a child, forfeits any rights they have, including the right to live.

[blue]

And so Blue should this also then be the fate of the priets and the pope?

If they are indeed guilty, yes.

[blue]

Nambla is a dead horse.......

The dead horse is alive and well with Arne Duncan as education czar.

"Since 1995, public criticism and law enforcement infiltration have heavily impaired the organization. Its national headquarters now consists of little more than a private mail box service in San Francisco, and they rarely respond to inquiries. Some reports state that the group no longer has regular national meetings, and that as of the late 1990s to avoid local police infiltration, the organization discouraged the formation of local chapters"

And yet NAMBLA chapters are still active.

Public criticism toward NAMBLA ?? Because the people don't want pedohiles.
Law Enforcement Infiltration into NAMBLA ?? Because what they propose is against the law.
Catholic Church criticism ?? Because the people don't want pedophiles.
Law Enforcement in the Catholic church ?? None !!!!

You really think there isnt law enforcement within the Church?

[kokopup]

BLUE

The dead horse is alive and well with Arne Duncan as education czar.

Blue you need to research your material a little better. The only thing for sure
is that Fox and the Washington Inquirer smear campaign have been proven wrong and there is no association between Duncan or Jennings and the Nambla. Jennings founded the Gay and Lesbian Independent School Teachers Education Network but has openly denounced NAMBLA as has Duncan.

[blue]

BLUE


Blue you need to research your material a little better. The only thing for sure
is that Fox and the Washington Inquirer smear campaign have been proven wrong and there is no association between Duncan or Jennings and the Nambla. Jennings founded the Gay and Lesbian Independent School Teachers Education Network but has openly denounced NAMBLA as has Duncan.

You defend one group of pedofiles because Fox news may have attacked them. Is the Washington Inquirer a real newspaper or is it like the Onion?

I know Duncan isnt officially NAMBLA but that doesnt mean he hasnt condoned their ideals.

Has the Church done wrong? Yes it has. Does every member of the Church deserve to be smeared as a molester? No they dont.

[wombat2u2004]

Does every member of the Church deserve to be smeared as a molester?

Blue.....nobody is of the opinion that every member of the church is a molester. But the ones that are, must be brought to task.
Nobody here is attacking the Catholic church, or attacking Catholics.
We are just questioning why, in this day and age, why it's the way it is.

[wombat2u2004]

You really think there isnt law enforcement within the Church?

Yes.

[blue]

Blue.....nobody is of the opinion that every member of the church is a molester. But the ones that are, must be brought to task.
Nobody here is attacking the Catholic church, or attacking Catholics.
We are just questioning why, in this day and age, why it's the way it is.

The main stream news in the states wants us to believe that the Pope has raped babies.

If we are asking why, I want to know why the Church is the target and not the foster care system?

[blue]

Yes.

I got a tinfoil hat answer but dont have the patience to type it out.

[wombat2u2004]

The main stream news in the states wants us to believe that the Pope has raped babies.
If we are asking why, I want to know why the Church is the target and not the foster care system?

The Pope's job before he was elected to Pope was to protect the church from embarassment and liability. Admitting guilt was never an option.
So he swept the whole lot under the rug.
I don't know about you Blue....but I'm pretty sure I would never allow my children to be taught in a Catholic school.
As far as punishment goes, the guilty were relocated and probably given a slap on the hand. Who knows where these guys ended up....at the school down the road from me, at the school near you. How do you know where they have been relocated to ??? Is the Pope going to tell you ???? No, because he doesn't want you to know, and he doesn't want the world to know.
"If we are asking why, I want to know why the Church is the target and not the foster care system?"
Why are you people so paranoid about this ???? It doesn't matter who the target is !!!! The intent is to rid the community of these molesters, and at the moment, it's Catholic policy to hide these people.

[Miss Z]

The main stream news in the states wants us to believe that the Pope has raped babies.

Good grief! I can see why you liken the crimes of the Pope to Obama being responsible for every criminal in the USA. The media do what they usually do, whip up a frenzy. It makes money. And it's exciting.

Blue, am I right in assuming that the word from the Vatican to the dioceses is cooperate with all investigations?

That leaves me in two minds. I believe that answers the point about law enforcement in the church - of course there is, in all of the nations the faith spans. Yet, the fact the Pope has to proclaim what he has begs the question, would they evade the questioning behind the hood of pontifical privacy, were he not to tell them otherwise?

Not intended as a smear, indeed, I would imagine most religious authorities would look to their pontifex above all else. I just wonder what your opinion is on this?

[wombat2u2004]

I got a tinfoil hat answer but dont have the patience to type it out.

Why ????

[kokopup]

Miss Z

Not intended as a smear, indeed, I would imagine most religious authorities would look to their pontifex above all else. I just wonder what your opinion is on this?

This seems to be addressed to Blue, however I thought I would give my thoughts on your question. First you are using a Term to describe a church leader that has been distorted in recent years. "Pontifex" as it applies to the church would apply only to the Pope of the RCC , since they are the one church organization that has a figure of this statue and power. "Pontifex" has been used by several radical groups such as "White Supremacy" groups here in the US. The RCC Leadership is the only orginization that is really under question by the original post. True there are people in places of power that maybe shouldn't be there. We can not take the position that as long as you have "this" or "that" happening you should not be bad mouthing the church. Discussing the lack of leadership in the church was the whole point of the thread. We can't take the position that the church is off limits as long as Obama is making bad appointments. These are all typical smoke screens that are used by some to high jack a thread. This is so typical.

[Miss Z]

Miss Z


This seems to be addressed to Blue, however I thought I would give my thoughts on your question. First you are using a Term to describe a church leader that has been distorted in recent years. "Pontifex" as it applies to the church would apply only to the Pope of the RCC , since they are the one church organization that has a figure of this statue and power. "Pontifex" has been used by several radical groups such as "White Supremacy" groups here in the US. The RCC Leadership is the only orginization that is really under question by the original post. True there are people in places of power that maybe shouldn't be there. We can not take the position that as long as you have "this" or "that" happening you should not be bad mouthing the church. Discussing the lack of leadership in the church was the whole point of the thread. We can't take the position that the church is off limits as long as Obama is making bad appointments. These are all typical smoke screens that are used by some to high jack a thread. This is so typical.

Thanks kokopup.

Eek, I don't know that much about supremacy sects over there, to be honest. I had no idea 'pontifex' in that context gave such an image! I use it in the purely Latin sense; the chieftain. Will be more careful using that next time.

I agree that the church isn't off limits, but what I was previously getting at, and what I believe Blue was saying, is that such 'corruption' is not exclusive to Catholicism. No matter who or how they worship, there's people who will abuse the system by using it as an excuse when they need to get out of trouble.

I'm an atheist, so the pros and cons and Chinese whispers about each religious division mean nothing to me. I only believe in respect for faiths, so I think picking out supposed flaws in the teaching systems and underlying beliefs of Catholicism only added to the 'let's all point the finger' scenario.