Sex abuse in church

[wombat2u2004]

Excellent post...I agree 100%

I don't !!!!
As usual, every separate perversion is neatly tucked away in little boxes with labels and pink ribbons around them, looks great on someone's bookshelf.
Rape is not a sexual issue ??? Who's the bright spark who thought that one up ??? I don't give a damn much about researchers, their opinions usually change with the seasons (and with how many bucks they can get).
Rape is a sexual issue !!!! It's about domination, sexual release, cruelty, abuse....but mostly, it is simply about sex.

Now onto the mainsteam of this thread............

The questions are.....How were the perversions of these people fostered ????
What are the real reasons why they have become the way they are ???
What can society do about them ???
Any answers ????

I can remember reading of a particular court case about some very high ranking English men who gathered monthly and committed sexual torture on whoever of that group was selected. A doctor was always in attendance to make sure that things never got too far (he was the one who broke down and spilled the beans to the public.)
Now, how was it that those men became what they are ????
Are you ready for this ?????
They were educated at British Public Schools....boarding schools of all boys.
No girls.....just all boys. And I don't know if you have any knowledge of what went on in those places.....but I do.....they were naught but male brothels, a breeding ground for a decadent upper class who practice horrific sexual acts on each other, and then released to commit the same outside of the system.

So how come children are sexually abused within the Catholic Church system by priests ??? (Where the priests are not allowed to be married. Surely those priests have built up sexual frustration).
How come boys are abused in the British Public School system by both their teachers and peers ??? (Where usually the teachers are unmarried and live in the same dorms as the boys, supposedly to instill in them their whacked out form of discipline. Surely they have built up sexual frustration.....including the boys who attend those institutions.)
Further.....how come that sexual abuse DOES NOT happen here where I come from ???? My city is full of private colleges, both male and female, in fact my daughter attends one of them. No abuse here. But then again....all of the teachers and dorm staff that I know, are all married !!!!!

So where are all these whackoes ??? All the sexual abusers ????
None here !!!!
But then again....they're married, probably happily, have families of their own.
No problems.

You know.....it's pretty simple when you stand back and look at the situation and not have your mind cluttered with research reports of information that in most cases are 99% preamble.

As Catty1 said "If a number of these priests came up through the ranks after being members of a Catholic congregation with a pedophile priest, they will abuse also."

I can't argue with that one.

[Miss Z]

How come boys are abused in the British Public School system by both their teachers and peers ??? (Where usually the teachers are unmarried and live in the same dorms as the boys, supposedly to instill in them their whacked out form of discipline.

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So where are all these whackoes ??? All the sexual abusers ????
None here !!!!
No problems.

What dookie.

On the topic, I do wonder how far the good old Pontifex fancied 'papal secrecy' would extend? In his several high-profile positions, he MUST have known someone would tell on him eventually, surely?

[RICHARD]

I can remember reading of a particular court case about some very high ranking English men who gathered monthly and committed sexual torture on whoever of that group was selected. A doctor was always in attendance to make sure that things never got too far (he was the one who broke down and spilled the beans to the public.)

Was that covered under Brit health care rules?

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And why the break in the "secret double probation" rules?

[wombat2u2004]

Was that covered under Brit health care rules?

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And why the break in the "secret double probation" rules?

Hee hee. You should have read what these guys did to themselves

[Karen]

Further.....how come that sexual abuse DOES NOT happen here where I come from ???? My city is full of private colleges, both male and female, in fact my daughter attends one of them. No abuse here. But then again....all of the teachers and dorm staff that I know, are all married !!!!!

So where are all these whackoes ??? All the sexual abusers ????
None here !!!!
But then again....they're married, probably happily, have families of their own.
No problems.

Just because you don't hear about it doesn't mean it doesn't happen, Wom. Sad to say, where there are enough human beings, things can happen.

http://www.clergyabuseaustralia.org/

[wombat2u2004]

Just because you don't hear about it doesn't mean it doesn't happen, Wom. Sad to say, where there are enough human beings, things can happen.

http://www.clergyabuseaustralia.org/

I agree.
But if for instance, a teacher in my daughters college was found guilty of such behaviour, then that person would be probably locked up and the key thrown away. And I'm sure the college and the staff would not support that individual in any manner.
But if it was a Catholic institution.....they'd remove him from my town and send him to your town.
Isn't the whole point of the matter to be rid of these people out of the community ???

[Marigold2]

Yes John that is the idea. Lock them up to keep our children safe. The pope should go to prison for his part in this. Wearing a robe and a cross doesn't give you free reign to abuse children. He needs to go to jail.

I agree.
But if for instance, a teacher in my daughters college was found guilty of such behaviour, then that person would be probably locked up and the key thrown away. And I'm sure the college and the staff would not support that individual in any manner.
But if it was a Catholic institution.....they'd remove him from my town and send him to your town.
Isn't the whole point of the matter to be rid of these people out of the community ???

[smokey the elder]

I don't think a priest who commits ANY crime should be sheltered by the Church. They should be bound to the law(s) of the land.

IMO, raised Protestant, now Pagan, I think this business of celibacy among the clergy of the Catholic Church is inhuman and inhumane. This is not how human beings are built. The survival drives (hunger and sex) are among the strongest in any animal, Homo sapiens sapiens included. Suppress either of these and drastic consequences can result!

[wombat2u2004]

I don't think a priest who commits ANY crime should be sheltered by the Church. They should be bound to the law(s) of the land.

IMO, raised Protestant, now Pagan, I think this business of celibacy among the clergy of the Catholic Church is inhuman and inhumane. This is not how human beings are built. The survival drives (hunger and sex) are among the strongest in any animal, Homo sapiens sapiens included. Suppress either of these and drastic consequences can result!

Bang on old mate....bang on !!!! This is what I have been saying all along.

[pomtzu]

Bang on old mate....bang on !!!! This is what I have been saying all along.

Ditto!!!!

[RICHARD]

Bang on old mate....bang on !!!! This is what I have been saying all along.

Maybe not 'bang on'?

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I had to 'laugh' this morning because one of my favorite programs intergrated a story line with as priest as one of the anatagonists.

He took confession from another character and it was then it hit me.

Confession is one of those kinda rituals that is supposed to absolve the sinner of all sin.

Think of three small closets next to each other, the priest sits in the middle and can open a little window that allows the people in the outside boxes to state their 'transgressions' -I love that word - get an absolution with a penalty from the priest and every thing is reset.


You have to do one main prayer and a repeat two others for as many times as a the priest sees fit.

LOL, I'd love to see the 'penalty sheet" that he reads from.

After you finish the penalty phase, you can go Frack Off again, the meter is at zero.

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The priest is supposed to rep the BIG GUY and poses as a go-between to insure god hears you....

So, with that kind of system in place, what's the big deal?

He goes to another priest, cops to his love of little boys, gets his penalty and goes on his merry way......Not only that, it used to be that the priest was supposedly sworn to secrecy-so if you went to him with a set of sins like cheating on your wife with 14 women-no one would ever find out.

The parents of a molested child would probably go complain to the parish first.

The parish gets the drift, the priest confesses and gets moved away from the crime scene and everything is peachy.

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You really cannot blame people who have god on their side.

[Cataholic]

IMO, raised Protestant, now Pagan, I think this business of celibacy among the clergy of the Catholic Church is inhuman and inhumane. This is not how human beings are built. The survival drives (hunger and sex) are among the strongest in any animal, Homo sapiens sapiens included. Suppress either of these and drastic consequences can result!

If this is so, how come we don't read about this same type of thing about nuns?

Further, while I have no studies to point to, I have read enough articles in the papers/online to realize that all molestation is not done by Catholic priests. Sadly, it is often times a member of one's own extended family.

I just don't buy the 'I am not gettin' any, so I must now go molest a child". It is deviant behavior, not a result of marital deprivation.

[Medusa]

If this is so, how come we don't read about this same type of thing about nuns?

Further, while I have no studies to point to, I have read enough articles in the papers/online to realize that all molestation is not done by Catholic priests. Sadly, it is often times a member of one's own extended family.

I just don't buy the 'I am not gettin' any, so I must now go molest a child". It is deviant behavior, not a result of marital deprivation.

AMEN and SO MOTE IT BE!

[Catherinedana]

If this is so, how come we don't read about this same type of thing about nuns?

I was raised Catholic but now have moved into my own realm of religious freedom as an adult. Fortunately, my mother was not devout and I was not forced to go to a Catholic school. While the nuns have not been accused of sexual abuse, I have heard from many family members and friends who attended Catholic school about the cruelty that they faced in the hands of the nuns. Beatings, pulling of hair, vicious verbal abuse, bestowing a derogatory nickname on a child and having all the others call her by it, tripping students walking up the classroom aisle so that they fall and everyone laughs (I heard this one a few times! Seems to be a nun favorite practical joke.

My cousin, who admittedly was a problem child was beaten every day one week by her nun-teacher. She told her mother, who of course was concerned, so mom went to visit the nun-teacher. Nun told mother that E. was a bit of a character, a bit of a trial, but the class and Nun loved her dearly for who she was. Nun would not have considered laying a hand on her! Needless to say, my cousin got a beating from her dad for lying about the nun. Yikes!!

My ex-husband is from Ireland and he attended school run by the Christian Brothers. The boys were abused so badly with beatings and verbal abuse that many of them find themselves damaged still to this day. Many of my ex's problems with self-esteem and communications issues appear to stem from his days in a "Christian/Catholic" school. He had big ears as a child and he said that one day, he was running in the yard and one of the Brothers picked him up by the ears to yell into his face. Ah, there's christian charity for ya!

I did not want to enter this repartee until I saw the remark about the nuns. I myself was screamed at (I mean S C R E A M E D!!! at) by a nun when I was at catachism getting ready to receive confirmation. I was a very shy child and was devistated to be in this position in front of all the other children (I think I dropped a book on the floor, if I remember correctly). I went home hysterical and told my mother what happened and that I did not want to go back. She said she was fine with that and I have been on a different path since that day.

I'm sure that there are folks who have had positive experiences within the Catholic church. I am not one of them.