Why did you vote for Obama or not...?

[RICHARD]

Why do you say that you have no problem with politicians who lie, when
you clearly do?

If you are talking about Presidental candidates, please name three.

Going on BIG lies and stupid lies.

JM - we may be in Iraq for 100 years- that's a reality, could be a lie.

BO - In 16 months all the troops will be home. That's a pipe dream and a lie.

HRC - Yes, she can. Stupid lie.

If a PC comes out and says something stupid that I think is a white lie he can slide with that.

When they come out and promise that they will take care of global warming, terror attacks and our dependence on oil?

THose are out and out freaking lies.

Solamente un tonto, le dicea al el.

And borrowing a political line from a bunch of disenfranchised Mexican citizens is highly original.

[phesina]

You are forgiven Richard, but like i said in my Pm to you , i can tell the difference between a canadian and an American,infact the aussie and NZer's do have a quite distinct differences in their accent,it may not be obvious to you, but it is to us,we say fush and chups they say feesh n cheeps., i am saying fish and chips, now that is just but one of many examples.i accept your humble excuses lol.

This reminds me of about 30 years ago when I was hanging out in Doolin, Co. Clare, Ireland for a while. A lot of travelers passed through all the time, including quite a few from both Australia and New Zealand. One time while chatting with a couple of Kiwis, I mentioned that I'd noticed the New Zealanders always had their flag sewn onto their packs. "That's so people don't mistake us for Australian," they replied.

"Oh, yeah, like Canadians always have their flag on their packs so as not to be mistaken for Americans!" I said.

I can tell the difference between Australian and New Zealand accents.. I think I still can, anyway, at this point.. it's been quite a while now.

[RICHARD]

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I still have my Bill Clinton bib, is that worth anything?

[Marigold2]

No I have never been to Mexico and don't think I would ever go. I don't like beaches or warm weather.
My comment had to do with all the Mexicans coming here accross our boarder and first thing they do is drop a kid so they can stay. I wish more of them would try and make their country a place they can be proud of instead of one they want to leave.
As for the other comments.
There are many fine examples of people before the interent, before everyone had a TV or even a newspaper, people who went against the grain and made a positive difference, education or no education.
Dolly Parton comes to mind. She grew up very poor, in a small town and instead of having 14 kids she wanted something better for herself. Oprah is another example as is Obama. He grew up without a father, of mixed race which back then was unheard of in my corner of the world and instead of turning to drugs or having children he turned to growth and education. All of these people started life with no money and all became wonderful, and postive people.
Money, education do not make a good person or intellignet person. Michael Landon and Carol Burnett are two more examples of people who had sad and poor starts but pulled themselves up and made a positive effect on this world.
No matter where you live, or what you have to deal with people have to take the first step and say to themselves I can be different, I can overcome, this does not have to be my life. I don't have to do what my parents did. All it takes is a bit of brains and some hard work and a dream for something better. The government is not soley responable for peoples well being and happiness. Birth control as you said can be given out but if people don't use it then they are going to remain poor. People need to want to change, it has to be something in their soul if you will. I am sure many of the Dr's we have in this country grew up on the poor streets of Calcutta and pulled themselves up and out.
Kennedy had one of the best speeches ever. Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. And if you think about it, most of the people we admire, truly look up to have followed that advice.

Marigold, I am not sure why you keep bringing up mexico, have you spent much time there? Mexico does have poverty but they have a lot of good things there too, many of their priorities are a little bit better than the ones here imo.

Are you basing this on newsclip or have you spent a lot of time there?

[Edwina's Secretary]

No My comment had to do with all the Mexicans coming here accross our boarder and first thing they do is drop a kid so they can stay.

I vowed to stay away. But I cannot allow such an ignorant, disgusting, filthy statement to go unchallenged.

Drop a kid. You are an embarrassment.

[caseysmom]

I vowed to stay away. But I cannot allow such an ignorant, disgusting, filthy statement to go unchallenged.

Drop a kid. You are an embarrassment.

I am speechless at the racism of this remark. This is deeply offending on so many levels.

[Lady's Human]

Now you've irritated me. You've got me agreeing with ES on something.

[ilovemypup]

Marigold...that is such a disrespectful...stressful post I don't even know where to begin.

[RICHARD]

No I have never been to Mexico and don't think I would ever go. I don't like beaches or warm weather.

I guess California is off your bucket list?

Hey, check this out. Find out the reason why Dolly Parton looks the way she does. Interesting story.

Michael Landon is dead and the Carol Burnett thing with her ear was a secret code.


Anything else you aren't clear on?

And did you like the plate?

[blue]

Im sure the anchor baby tactic, Amendment 14, has been used by many people of many races, and from many countries. I can see Marigold's point but she could have been much more tactfull in stating it.

[WHITEPOST]Like Im one to talk about being tactfull.[/WHITEPOST]

[caseysmom]

I can see Marigold's point

No surprise to hear that.

[Bonny]

I can see Marigolds point. The thing is every different race has different customs. My sister in law's sister who is a nun went to Africa thinking she was going to teach the women about birth control. Sister got very frustrated & came back to the states shaking her head. A man becomes a man when he produces off spring before the age of 15 or else he is not a man.

We are dealing with a historical raid on a Jewish Kosher plant where they allowed illegals to come in & work & got caught. It is a big mess. They don't have any health insurance & our local hospital has had to suck up losses incurred treating the illegals & legals. Luckily there are people who do care food, & housing has been donated. Some have found new jobs & homes with the help of translaters from our local college. There are some illegals back in the little town caring for their children & have to wear ankle braclets. There are people working to help them get through this not knowing what their fate will be? A person gets torn between what is right & what isn't. All I know the world is over populated & I don't think God planned on it being this way even though he/she said go forth & multiply.

[RICHARD]

I went to bed thinking about this thread.....

I have to say something about the Mexican community. I know it well.
MY dad was an I!!E@G@! -Apparently there is an effort afoot to prevent the word illegal from being used in courts all across the country- and he made it a priority that his kids get a good life here in the Good Old United States. There is a very disturbing trend at identifying all illegals as "mexicans". More on that later on.

The new adjectives for people who cross the border are, Undocumented, Misplaced, Forced out.......and so on! LOL, the next legal term for a murderer will be a "Denier of Life".

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The phrase "drop a kid" is more a slam against the kid, than it is against the mother or a race/culture. The first person who suggested that it may smack of racism needs to look first at where the phrase came from.

Somewhere-I do believe I heard it start somewhere in the San Diego media-someone tossed out the term anchor baby. Is that a slam against sailors?
Heavy metal objects used to hold boats/ships in place? Drop a baby? Not too enamoured of that term, but these days the vernacular tends to make things/circumstances nice, neat little packages that will get the news reader under the three-minute-per-story-time limit.

I actually have more of a problem with the tone of the post - As you may all know, Dolly Parton modeled her look after the streetwalkers/prostitutes of her town. What does that say about her?

The post was intended to shock and to make people really upset. It really doesn't bother me. I understand the irritation in the comments-I have to laugh at the Indian doctor/Calcutta reference-that's probably not true-most of the young Indian docs were born here and went to school in the U.S.

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I am all for immigration, green cards, visas and all the other good stuff that brings productivity and prosperity to our country. But you have to start at the top and parsing some of the blame where it belongs.

The government-elected officials and laws- have been very lax about the rules covering immigration. Some who want to curb the problem are "racists" others who want to enact laws protecting the illegality of what is happening are the people who are looking for the 'destruction' of what we have now in the country.

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I don't want to go on because it's all stuff we have hashed out before-but one thing that makes me laugh.

Si Se Puede is a term that the Mexican population coined a few years back in an effort to win back the government from the AH people in charge.

It's an incomplete thought-Yes It Can-It should be Si Se Puede Hacer- Yes It Can Be Done. So right there I shake my head at the 'value' of the phrase.

It evolves into a rallying cry for our election, and again it's an incomplete thought, Yes We Can-Can what? Now people will say it's incomplete because it opens up the possibility of being able to do anything, but incomplete ideas like that are just that, incomplete ideas.

Si Se Puede? Not anytime soon, the same people who looked to wrestle control back to the people in Mexico are the ones dying everyday in Tijuana, in the wars between the drug cartels. The buzz on the spanish language channels was to support the BO run for office because the Dems were looking at amnesty for everyone in some way.

The interviews from the Illegal Man on the Street were telling, Maybe the new presidente los va dar derechos!!!! The illegals were looking at the new president to give them rights!

Which brings us to the idea of granting rights to people who are here illegally.

They should be granted HUMAN RIGHTS, but extending them the privileges that we have earned, bled and payed for seems to defeat some of the ideas we have about living in the U.S.

This is a tough subject to broach and there are arguements on both sides that are to be listened to, but I tend to look at the statements made more as a slam against people in general. The pinpointing of a certain group-Mexicans- show a certain degree of ignorance regarding the total picture. I don't take it personally and think it just reflects the ideas the media puts out about people.

Anyone that speaks spanish is Mexican, so, if all illegals speak spanish?

I guess that could be a racist statement, but I have always thought that some of the more racist statements are ground in fact. Wetback, Beaner, Taco Bender-the term "Wada" is the spanish equivalent of the N-word. The Hispanic population use it freely, without the drama attached to the N-word. We tend to shrug our shoulders and get back to work. We cannot argue with the terms because they are based in who and what we are. I am a Beaner, but not a wetback-That is the way the Border Patrol would I.D. the people who had just made it across the river to the U.S., I am a taco bender-it's just words.

I am not offended, If you want to hurt me, tell me that as a citizen I cannot partake in what I contribute to. That will make me mad-and maybe the next time you bite into a taco or burrito, or eat rice and beans-think about the nice people who brought you the idea.

Otherwise, we are taking back California, Texas, Nevada and Colorado, Keep Utah and Florida. We don't do well in hurricanes or snow.

[carole]

Marigold whether there is truth in what you say or not, could you please use a little more tact in this thread, i did not start this thread so it could end up like this, now it is just becoming tacky and offensive to people and not informative at all,there are ways of saying things,without causing people to become upset.

[blue]

No surprise to hear that.

Her point and how she made it are very different things.