Why did you vote for Obama or not...?

[carole]

Woah this thread has certainly become fiesty, to put it mildly,and changed topic over and over again, and i am as guilty as anyone for changing it, but I have learned a lot from you all, and thank you for your varied opinions on every topic raised here,some of us just have to agree to disagree i think.

I do think their is some naivety amongst some of us, and some see it in black and white, and i just don't believe it is like that at all,I think Richard raised some very good points in his thread,as did many others.

Now back to the original topic,can anyone tell me what Obama is going to do about the troops, is he going to bring them home? what is is stance on the war?

[RICHARD]

Now back to the original topic,can anyone tell me what Obama is going to do about the troops, is he going to bring them home? what is is stance on the war?

Thanks.....

BO started with the idea that he wanted to 'end' the war and bring home the troops in 16 months. Apparently, upon advice of an on the ground commander of the forces over in the ME, he may commit another 30,000 troops to the effort.

That is one of my biggest bug-a-boos about how "sheepish" people are in the U.S. They take an election promise to heart, elect the bozo that made it and not give a whit of attention when he changes his mind AFTER he gets elected.

The media has also alluded to the fact that he is surrounding himself with advisors who have 'experience' in their respective fields-the biggest hit against BO was his inexperience in running any kind of government machine.

In the U.S. government system, each state has a number of congress reps, based on the population, and two senators who represent in Wash, d.c.

BO was a senator for less than three years, with no experience at the congressional level or local level as a politician.

People think that the 'change' that BO thinks he will make for the country will be the end all/be all in world postion and politics. Come back for a peek at what happens in around 2010-2011. You'll hear the same sorry whining from the disenfranchised, spoiled citizens of the United States.

Here's a little background on our president-elect.

I know you have what amounts to territories in Oz, about 7?

I didn't look it up, so if I am wrong, I apologize. BO lives in the U.S. and made a statement about the "57 states" of the union.

There are only 50 with a few territories- simple American History-any person that paid attention in school would know that. To my knowledge he never made a correction to the statement, you know to put us worry warts at east.

It was glossed over as a faux paus and never addressed again. People complained about GWB's pronunciation of the word 'nuclear', but cannot be bothered about a historical fact.




He will be my president, and as I said before, he is the one driving the bus-so I have to go with where he drives us.

[Lady's Human]

Pes. Elect Obama made campaign promises about bringing the troops home, without realising the tactical and strategic positions on the ground.

Now that he's seen the full blown briefings and Sitreps, he's going to have to deal with the reality of the position, rather than absolutes.

[lizbud]

BO was a senator for less than three years, with no experience at the congressional level or local level as a politician.

Not true Richard. Better check your facts again. Obama served 3 years
as a Senator in the Illinois House before running for the US Congress.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/30/us...s/30obama.html

[RICHARD]

Not true Richard. Better check your facts again. Obama served 3 years
as a Senator in the Illinois House before running for the US Congress.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

Chicago is one of the extra countries in the Nation of Illinois. It's the 54th state, so it don't count.



My fault, I stand corrected.

[carole]

Richard just for the record mate i live in NEW ZEALAND not OZ ok.

Well yes thought i had read somewhere he was intending to bring home the troops, that is why I asked, again promises they never can keep eh?

[lizbud]

Well yes thought i had read somewhere he was intending to bring home the troops, that is why I asked, again promises they never can keep eh?

Obama isn't even the President yet. You can't correct eight years of
terrible decisions in a day or a year either. What he can do is change the
policies esposed by Bush & Co. that got us into this mess, at home and
abroad.

[carole]

Yes Yes i understand this.

[lizbud]

Yes Yes i understand this.

Sorry Carole. Didn't mean so sound irate or anything, I just get so tired
of all the gloom & doom predictions about the new President. I hear it a
lot here in the DH.

[tatsxxx11]

"Barack served 8 years as an IL State Senator before being elected to the U.S. Senate.

He serves as a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Veterans Affairs Committee, Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, and Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee.

During his eight years in the Illinois state Senate, Senator Obama worked with both Democrats and Republicans to help working families get ahead by creating programs like the state Earned Income Tax Credit, which in three years provided over $100 million in tax cuts to families across the state. He also pushed through an expansion of early childhood education, and after a number of inmates on death row were found innocent, Senator Obama enlisted the support of law enforcement officials to draft legislation requiring the videotaping of interrogations and confessions in all capital cases."

http://obama.senate.gov/about/

[RICHARD]

Carol,
Oh please!

There was a "Z'' in there someplace... I cannot differentiate from the accents. LOLOLOLOL, Middle Earth, New Zealand-IT's all the same to me.

Boy, I never paid attention to BO's prolific resume.

I couldn't get past his brio and the thought that it's like putting the guy that assembles the tricycles in Toys "R" Us as the head mechanic at the Harley Davidson dealership In Sturgis.

Sporster? Wide Glide?

BO tickled all the antiwar people's arses by PROMISING he would end the Iraq/Afghan involvement of the U.S. in 16 months, He's no miracle worker and he cannot wave a magic wand over all our problems.

People refuse to even THINK that the 9/11 attack was in the planning stages while Bill Clinton was still in office. So if there is blame to go around, spread it between BC and GWB= BC stripped the armed forces with budget cuts that forced out many of our soldiers and closed many military bases.

There are times when having a hindsight that only goes back eight years makes any arguement convincing.

[carole]

You are forgiven Richard, but like i said in my Pm to you , i can tell the difference between a canadian and an American,infact the aussie and NZer's do have a quite distinct differences in their accent,it may not be obvious to you, but it is to us,we say fush and chups they say feesh n cheeps., i am saying fish and chips, now that is just but one of many examples.i accept your humble excuses lol.

Anyhoo, back to the thread, i just heard him say yesterday , that he was getting rid of the prison where they are holding terrorists, cannot remember the name of it starts with a G,he said Americans don't torture, to quote him.

Hey Lizbud i understand, i actually like the man. we are on the same side, just pointing out that here and anywhere politicians make promise they really have no intention of keeping.,not singling Barack out, just in general that is what happens.

[JenBKR]

politicians make promise they really have no intention of keeping.,not singling Barack out, just in general that is what happens.

Oh I agree, seems that you hear so many promises that are never kept. I think that many politicians make promises that sound good, but when they get in office and get all of the private info, they realize that what they promised may not be possible, or in the best interest of the people. I think it would be pretty hard to make promises and keep them without having all of the facts first!

[RICHARD]

Anyhoo, back to the thread, i just heard him say yesterday , that he was getting rid of the prison where they are holding terrorists, cannot remember the name of it starts with a G,he said Americans don't torture, to quote him.

Guantanamo Bay in the SE part of Cuba. (this geography I know!).
It all depends on what you consider torture. There have been report of prisoners being subjected to sensory deprivation or sensory overloads. The Abu Gharib story was another story of American's "torturing" prisoners.

A few scumbags got it into their heads that it was O.K. to humiliate prisoners held there. IN theory what the world thinks is torture is a long way from the way that some governments and individuals have treated prisoners -war and other types- in the past.

I have no problems with any politico lying about things he will change once he wins office. It's the grandeur and 'change' that pulls the people in. ANd when you promise whiz-bang changes and back down before your first day on the job is very promising indeed. Our president elect will have no problem fitting into the mold of a politician.

[lizbud]

I have no problems with any politico lying about things he will change once he wins office. It's the grandeur and 'change' that pulls the people in. ANd when you promise whiz-bang changes and back down before your first day on the job is very promising indeed. Our president elect will have no problem fitting into the mold of a politician.

Why do you say that you have no problem with politicians who lie, when
you clearly do?

If you are talking about Presidental candidates, please name three.