Why did you vote for Obama or not...?

[carole]

hey guys have you finished arguing the point yet? I guess someone is right and someone is wrong, or are you all right, gosh i don't know i am totally confused, and would like to move on if possible thanks.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Wrong. Not every city and state in the US has a sales tax. I do most of my shopping outside of the cities tax zone or in Anchorage to pay as little sales tax as posible. The value they give to an economy also detracts from it by lowwering wages for the type work they perform.

By working under the table they arent coverred by workmans comp insurance or any of the safeties legal workers are coverred by.

I am just guessing here....but many of these folks live in places other Anchorage. And not everyone has your opportunity to avoid paying taxes.

I am quite well aware of the lack of protection when working off the books. What does that have to do with the discussion?

Sorry Carole.

[carole]

I am as guilty as anyone for hijacking my own thread, changing the subject from time to time, so that is fine,and hey if you want to thrash it out,i guess it is up to you guys,if we can get back on topic be good though,not holding my breath lol.actually i am totally lost on the subject now,ignorance is bliss sometimes. lol

[blue]

I am just guessing here....but many of these folks live in places other Anchorage. And not everyone has your opportunity to avoid paying taxes.

I am quite well aware of the lack of protection when working off the books. What does that have to do with the discussion?

Sorry Carole.

Anchorage and Alaska are not the only city and state that does not have an income tax so quit pretending they are.

A majority of the people who work off the books are here illegally, unless you can show me otherwise.

*EDIT* If you keep reading, I put my foot in my mouth on this post. Alaskan residents do not pay a state sales or income tax, though some cities and boroughs have sales taxes there are no Alaskan Income or Sales taxes.

ES was talking about Sales Taxes and I posted income taxes, and for that I am deaply sorry.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Anchorage and Alaska are not the only city and state that does not have an income tax so quit pretending they are.

A majority of the people who work off the books are here illegally, unless you can show me otherwise.

Blue...I was talking SALES TAX. That is different from income tax. I wouldn't dream of pretending that there aren't more places without income tax. Florida I believe does not have one...maybe Nevada?

In the little bit of Marigold's quotes I read...it said something like half of illegals work off the books. But that is different from what you just said. Do I know what portion of those who work off the books that is? No, but what does that mean?

But I am done. You are confusing me. Sales tax/income tax...worker comp/working under the table/hafl of this is not half of that/pretending.

I can't keep what you are saying straight. Plus my turkey is almost done.

[Marigold2]

There is tons of info out there on this subject. As for dropping kids, that is where the term anchor came from. Dropping anchor. I didn't make it up I only used a common term. As I said it's not pretty but it is true. These people will do anything to stay here in this country and if having a baby helps, they will do it. They almost surely risked their life to come here and having a baby is no big deal if it means staying here and not having to go back.
The impact that uneducated people have on a country is difficult to put into terms. Not only does it have to do with lack of education or skills and jobs but the crime rate is increased as well. It is so with any one of low education, they have to eat somehow and if they can't do so by getting a job they will do it another way, that is human nature regardless of where you come from. A child that has uneducated parents is often more likely to be uneducated themselves and stay that way, it's a horrible cycle. Many people on welfare stay that way and their children and grandchildren continue this sad way of life. Generation after generation taking, taking and not giving back to society, it's sad.
If you don't pay into Medicare I don't believe you should recieve it.

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In hosting America's largest population of illegal immigrants, California bears a huge cost to provide basic human services for this fast growing, low-income segment of its population. A new study from the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) examines the costs of education, health care and incarceration of illegal aliens, and concludes that the costs to Californians is $10.5 billion per year.
Among the key finding of the report are that the state's already struggling K-12 education system spends approximately $7.7 billion a year to school the children of illegal aliens who now constitute 15 percent of the student body. Another $1.4 billion of the taxpayers' money goes toward providing health care to illegal aliens and their families, the same amount that is spent incarcerating illegal aliens criminals.
"California's addiction to 'cheap' illegal alien labor is bankrupting the state and posing enormous burdens on the state's shrinking middle class tax base," stated Dan Stein, President of FAIR. "Most Californians, who have seen their taxes increase while public services deteriorate, already know the impact that mass illegal immigration is having on their communities, but even they may be shocked when they learn just how much of a drain illegal immigration has become."
The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Californians focuses on three specific program areas because those were the costs examined by researchers from the Urban Institute in 1994. Looking at the costs of education, health care and incarceration for illegal aliens in 1994, the Urban Institute estimated that California was subsidizing illegal immigrants to the tune of about $1.1 billion. The enormous rise in the costs of illegal immigrants over the intervening ten years is due to the rapid growth in illegal residents. It is reasonable to expect those costs to continue to soar if action is not taken to turn the tide.
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[carole]

Marigold i think you have made your point,loud and clear to us all.

[blue]

I can't keep what you are saying straight. Plus my turkey is almost done.

If you would quit changing the direction of your arguments, mine would be more clear to you.

I hope your turkey was moist and very tasty.

*EDIT* I did mean Sales Tax when I posted Income Tax, I really have to appologise for the confusion. I could go and edit my earlier post accordingly but that wouldnt be fair.

Again I hope you had a great Thanksgiving.