Stoned to death

[Lady's Human]

The full covering has nothing to do with respect for women, it has everything to do with controlling women.

How, praytell, can you justify covering yourself so men don't look at you?

Men aren't supposed to control themselves?

That tells me all the burden of committing a sin is on the woman, and none on the male.

Your explanation of this is a codification of the "she had it coming" defense in a rape trial.

[wombat2u2004]

The full covering has nothing to do with respect for women, it has everything to do with controlling women.

Yup.

[caseysmom]

I have been to Iran and the majority of the women and men do not like the laws, especially the younger generation. Men are expected to wear long sleeves but women do indeed take the brunt of the chauvinistic laws.

As far as seeing nothing wrong with her fate if the accusations are true. Do you believe she should receive a fair trial by her peers? Do you think stoning is not barbaric?

It is quite possible to dress modestly without a full hijab.

PCB, you say nobody has the right to condemn you for how you dress but you are being very comndemning of how "women in the west" dress. Trust me there are modest women here.

I do have to agree with you about women walking behind men, never have witnessed that although a Japanese friend of mine told me her mother did that with her Father and brothers.

[smokey the elder]

[sarcasm] They must have a very low crime rate in Iran if the cops have all this time to spend on being the fashion police. [/sarcasm].

I think both sides of the Muslim dress code debate have valid points. Clearly, Popcornbird is in favor of it and it's her choice. But the dress code issue seems to be kind of missing the whole point, IMO. To me it's superficial, and maybe less emphasis should be placed on it and more on the five pillars of Islam.

[Catty1]

LH - I agree with your distinction between Talmudic law and Christian law.

It seems, though, that many Christians do refer to 'Old Testament' quotes to justify quashing the rights of homosexuals and other groups.

I am no scholar, but I don't recall Christ being quoted as saying there was anything wrong with sex. As for adultery, he did use that 'sinless can cast the first stone'.

However, I think the NT came out against divorce, so folks may want to revert to Moses on that one.

[Lady's Human]

To quote a Rabbi who was having a discussion with a catholic friend in a greek restaurant run by an Egyptian Moslem with a hispanic cook:

What you call the Old Testament is MY book. Stay outta there, you'll get your feelings hurt!

[Karen]

I do have to agree with you about women walking behind men, never have witnessed that although a Japanese friend of mine told me her mother did that with her Father and brothers.

I tend to walk behind Paul - he has really long legs, and if we both walk at a "normal speed" he can easily leave me in the dust! It has nothing to do with being submissive, if he's walking quickly for him, I literally have to jog to keep up!

[caseysmom]

Well if anyone saw me and my husband they might see the same thing since I walk with a limp now I am pretty slow...my daughter on crutches beats me!

[carole]

I for one cannot condone stoning anyone to death for adultery, it is barbaric and bizarre, I don't care what anyone say's it is inhumane IMO.

I read that men who do get stoned to death are buried up to their waist whereas women are buried up to their neck,

I certainly do not think anyone should committ adultery by any means, but for goodness sake the punishment should fit the crime, and that is way over the top.

I do respect other's cultures, but this is goes way beyond that, and it needs to be stopped end of.

Yes i am thankful i too live in a country that gives women rights just like men, and freedom of speech and choice,and does not condone inhumane practices.

[lizbud]

I do respect other's cultures, but this is goes way beyond that, and it needs to be stopped end of.

I cannot say that I respect other country's culture or customs when they
treat women this way. It is wrong, wrong, wrong. It cannot be defended
by Religion, Culture or Custom.

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[Catty1]

Iran mother facing stoning pleads to see children

Sat Jul 31, 12:49 AM

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/10073...cution_stoning

LONDON (AFP) - An Iranian woman sentenced to death by stoning for adultery in Iran pleaded to be allowed to hug her children, in a letter attributed to her released by human rights activists in London on Saturday.



Sakineh Mohammadi-Ashtiani, a 43-year-old mother of two, was given the sentence after being found guilty.

It sparked an outcry in Western countries, and was temporarily halted earlier this month by Iranian judiciary chief Sadeq Larijani.

"I'm Sakineh Mohammadi-Ashtiani. From Tabriz Prison I thank all those who are thinking of me," said the letter, translated from Farsi into English and released by the International Committee against Stoning.

The message was relayed in a telephone conversation, a committee spokeswoman told AFP, without going into further details.

"I am now quiet and sad because a part of my heart is frozen," it said.

"The day I was flogged in front of (my son) Sajjad, I was crushed and my dignity and heart were broken.

"The day I was given the stoning sentence, it was as if I fell into a deep hole and I lost consciousness.

"Many nights, before sleeping, I think to myself how can anybody be prepared to throw stones at me; to aim at my face and hands? Why?

"I'm afraid of dying. Help me stay alive and hug my children."

Mohammadi-Ashtiani was convicted on May 15, 2006 of having an "illicit relationship" with two men, according to her lawyer and London-based human rights watchdog Amnesty International.

Amnesty said she received 99 lashes as per her sentence but was subsequently accused of "adultery while being married" in September 2006 during the trial of a man accused of murdering her husband.

Slide show here - narrator wrote the 'poem' also. It's on YouTube, but one needs to sign in.
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ETA: I read that only small stones are allowed, as larger ones might cause "instant death".

[Marigold2]

Totally agree. Talk about over reacting Geez.
Just shows what low self-esteem the men over there have.
Maybe her husbend was bad in bed, maybe his feet stunk, maybe he had bad breath, or lots of gas.

I for one cannot condone stoning anyone to death for adultery, it is barbaric and bizarre, I don't care what anyone say's it is inhumane IMO.

I read that men who do get stoned to death are buried up to their waist whereas women are buried up to their neck,

I certainly do not think anyone should committ adultery by any means, but for goodness sake the punishment should fit the crime, and that is way over the top.

I do respect other's cultures, but this is goes way beyond that, and it needs to be stopped end of.

Yes i am thankful i too live in a country that gives women rights just like men, and freedom of speech and choice,and does not condone inhumane practices.

[carole]

Lizbud just to clarify that is what i mean't exactly, i respect other peoples cultures but when it come to something like that i certainly do not,hence my statement that goes way beyond just that.

[sana]

The full covering has nothing to do with respect for women, it has everything to do with controlling women.

How, praytell, can you justify covering yourself so men don't look at you?

Men aren't supposed to control themselves?

That tells me all the burden of committing a sin is on the woman, and none on the male.

Your explanation of this is a codification of the "she had it coming" defense in a rape trial.

According to Islamic rules, men's covering part is that they have their sights lowered so this is their part of the coverage, their eyes are to be lowered and women are to cover their bodies.

[wombat2u2004]

According to Islamic rules, men's covering part is that they have their sights lowered so this is their part of the coverage, their eyes are to be lowered and women are to cover their bodies.

But do the men abide by those rules ????