Protests in Iran

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The butthurt and false frustration has been strong in this thread.

Reagan, Bush, and Bush would have stood up and called for the Iranian elections to be open and fair. Obama has done what, said he was disappointed?

Carter would have at least helped count the crooked ballots.

When the Iranian nuclear question comes into play, hopefully Obama will continue to keep his mouth shut and let Israel take care of business.

[Edwina's Secretary]

And now Honduras. A sad state of affairs for election results these days!

[Puckstop31]

And now Honduras. A sad state of affairs for election results these days!

Except Honduras is not about an election... It is about a President who is trying to violate their Constitution. It says a President is limited to two terms. The current guy is trying to run for 3, ala Chavez. The military "coup" was ordered by the Honduran Supreme Court, with support from their Congress. Simply put, they are trying to defend their Constitution from a person trying to become a dictator. Hondurans know what being ruled by a dictator is about, they would rather not have it again I reckon.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124623220955866301.html


Funny that Madam Clinton and our President are speaking out against this attempt by the people to defend their Constitution. Funny, but not surprising.

[RICHARD]

As long as my president shows up on a Monday morning for a new conference and assures me that he's at the WH doing his job, I think I can look forward to hitting Friday at the end of the week because he said so.
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Also, the BO regime thinks it's better to toss out a "deeply disappointed" comment now and then- to cover their rears, ya know?

Technically, we cannot do anything about the probs in Iran. That FW Adam Mini Jab keeps with the "Meddling U.S.!" I'd love to see him try and out run a 500 pounder-does he want us to meddle?

IT's the same old story-we get another prez who can't balance foreign affairs AND his country.

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A strong rebuttal of the election and what the government was doing to the protestors would have been as effective as keeping 'our' mouths shut. But we aren't into regime change and stuff like that.


Hey,
People are getting slaughtered in the street! WHere are the human rights FWs? Nope, it's only murder when it's an American Bomb or Bullet.


Iranian firearms do not count.

[Edwina's Secretary]

I guess if you think it is okay for a supreme court to install a president without regard to the electorate you must think it is okay for a supreme court to uninstall a president without regard to the electorate!



Although I think a bunch of judges sending a bunch of masked goons to remove a president in his jammies must epitomize an....drum roll please...

Activist Court

if ever I heard of one.

And poor, poor Honduras...the world just cannot work up the enthusiasm for the protesters there!

[Puckstop31]

I guess if you think it is okay for a supreme court to install a president without regard to the electorate you must think it is okay for a supreme court to uninstall a president without regard to the electorate!



Although I think a bunch of judges sending a bunch of masked goons to remove a president in his jammies must epitomize an....drum roll please...

Activist Court

if ever I heard of one.

And poor, poor Honduras...the world just cannot work up the enthusiasm for the protesters there!

If it were just the court.... sure. But with the support of the Congress (aka, the PEOPLE)....

Masked goons? LOL. Drama much? Its the only way you people can get what you want. Drama. Spin. Out of context interpretation of speech. Keep swinging. The people are waking up, bad for you and yours I suppose.

There you go AGAIN ES.... Supporting the things we all know you would "enjoy". Sweet. The people be danged....


FWIW, I get what you are saying about the Court "appointing" a President. (Sad for you though, the Honduran court is simply upholding their Constitution.) I am with you on this one. We would have been better off with OUT having GWB as a President. Would Al Gore been any better?

[Edwina's Secretary]

Any time a government has to impose its will and suppress the voice of its people using the army at gun point - it is a sad day for that country and its people whether it be in Iran, Ludlow Colorado, or Honduras.

I have sympathy for the soldiers. Surely they struggle to shoot their own countrymen?

My point was and my point remains - the people of Honduras who are protesting deserve the same support as those in Iran.

[Puckstop31]

Any time a government has to impose its will and suppress the voice of its people using the army at gun point - it is a sad day for that country and its people whether it be in Iran, Ludlow Colorado, or Honduras.

I have sympathy for the soldiers. Surely they struggle to shoot their own countrymen?

My point was and my point remains - the people of Honduras who are protesting deserve the same support as those in Iran.

Perhaps we have different understandings of what is going on? As I understand it, the current President's term was to end in September. He was maneuvering to circumvent their Constitutional limit on 2 terms for a President. Apparently, their Constitution gives the Congress the ability to use the military inside the country to protect against these things.

AFAIK, soldiers are NOT shooting civilians, they are simply carrying out the order from the Congress and Supreme Court to remove the current Executive from power. Yes, that is harsh and possibly not right... But then again, Honduras has experience with dictatorships and its possible they would go to extreme lengths to preserve the freedom they currently enjoy. Just like our Founding Fathers did.

Imagine what might happen here, should at the end of a possible 2nd term Barack Obama declared he was running again, in clear violation of the 22nd Amendment. From what I read, this is exactly what is happening in Honduras.

As for Iran, I agree with you. I actually think our President made a good move by NOT speaking out harshly at first. But I doubt he was silent for the same reason that i think was wise. Iran is already ruled by a dictator(s). Speaking out harshly and getting world opinion strongly against Iran means the current regime cracks down, hard, and crushes what is the first spark of the fire of revolution. As it stands, the people of Iran are perhaps begining to see.... And to unite. We certianly should support them in any way possible, but not "open handed", so to speak. Any open actual support would not end well I think.

Honduras is different however.... They are trying to PREVENT a dictator from taking over. They are acting to preserve their Constitution. Funny that our "leaders" are speaking out against this so fast.

[Edwina's Secretary]

The courts took this action because of what the president might be going to do rather than what he did do.

Soldiers fenced off the area around the presidential palace, where security forces used tear gas and water cannons Monday against Zelaya supporters, injuring and arresting dozens.

Some local television stations remained off the air and local media carried few reports of demonstrations in Zelaya's favor, apparently under government pressure.

Same song - different tune.

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Since ES likes to pick and choose from new stories Ill do the same.

The interim president named by Congress, Roberto Micheletti, said Zelaya could be arrested for violating the constitution if he returns. He also said he would not resign no matter how intense the international pressure on Honduras becomes.

Not sure if this is the source ES used for her quotes but it is an AP piece, link.