Protests in Iran

[Edwina's Secretary]

I guess if you think it is okay for a supreme court to install a president without regard to the electorate you must think it is okay for a supreme court to uninstall a president without regard to the electorate!



Although I think a bunch of judges sending a bunch of masked goons to remove a president in his jammies must epitomize an....drum roll please...

Activist Court

if ever I heard of one.

And poor, poor Honduras...the world just cannot work up the enthusiasm for the protesters there!

[Puckstop31]

I guess if you think it is okay for a supreme court to install a president without regard to the electorate you must think it is okay for a supreme court to uninstall a president without regard to the electorate!



Although I think a bunch of judges sending a bunch of masked goons to remove a president in his jammies must epitomize an....drum roll please...

Activist Court

if ever I heard of one.

And poor, poor Honduras...the world just cannot work up the enthusiasm for the protesters there!

If it were just the court.... sure. But with the support of the Congress (aka, the PEOPLE)....

Masked goons? LOL. Drama much? Its the only way you people can get what you want. Drama. Spin. Out of context interpretation of speech. Keep swinging. The people are waking up, bad for you and yours I suppose.

There you go AGAIN ES.... Supporting the things we all know you would "enjoy". Sweet. The people be danged....


FWIW, I get what you are saying about the Court "appointing" a President. (Sad for you though, the Honduran court is simply upholding their Constitution.) I am with you on this one. We would have been better off with OUT having GWB as a President. Would Al Gore been any better?

[Edwina's Secretary]

Any time a government has to impose its will and suppress the voice of its people using the army at gun point - it is a sad day for that country and its people whether it be in Iran, Ludlow Colorado, or Honduras.

I have sympathy for the soldiers. Surely they struggle to shoot their own countrymen?

My point was and my point remains - the people of Honduras who are protesting deserve the same support as those in Iran.

[Puckstop31]

Any time a government has to impose its will and suppress the voice of its people using the army at gun point - it is a sad day for that country and its people whether it be in Iran, Ludlow Colorado, or Honduras.

I have sympathy for the soldiers. Surely they struggle to shoot their own countrymen?

My point was and my point remains - the people of Honduras who are protesting deserve the same support as those in Iran.

Perhaps we have different understandings of what is going on? As I understand it, the current President's term was to end in September. He was maneuvering to circumvent their Constitutional limit on 2 terms for a President. Apparently, their Constitution gives the Congress the ability to use the military inside the country to protect against these things.

AFAIK, soldiers are NOT shooting civilians, they are simply carrying out the order from the Congress and Supreme Court to remove the current Executive from power. Yes, that is harsh and possibly not right... But then again, Honduras has experience with dictatorships and its possible they would go to extreme lengths to preserve the freedom they currently enjoy. Just like our Founding Fathers did.

Imagine what might happen here, should at the end of a possible 2nd term Barack Obama declared he was running again, in clear violation of the 22nd Amendment. From what I read, this is exactly what is happening in Honduras.

As for Iran, I agree with you. I actually think our President made a good move by NOT speaking out harshly at first. But I doubt he was silent for the same reason that i think was wise. Iran is already ruled by a dictator(s). Speaking out harshly and getting world opinion strongly against Iran means the current regime cracks down, hard, and crushes what is the first spark of the fire of revolution. As it stands, the people of Iran are perhaps begining to see.... And to unite. We certianly should support them in any way possible, but not "open handed", so to speak. Any open actual support would not end well I think.

Honduras is different however.... They are trying to PREVENT a dictator from taking over. They are acting to preserve their Constitution. Funny that our "leaders" are speaking out against this so fast.

[Edwina's Secretary]

The courts took this action because of what the president might be going to do rather than what he did do.

Soldiers fenced off the area around the presidential palace, where security forces used tear gas and water cannons Monday against Zelaya supporters, injuring and arresting dozens.

Some local television stations remained off the air and local media carried few reports of demonstrations in Zelaya's favor, apparently under government pressure.

Same song - different tune.

[blue]

Since ES likes to pick and choose from new stories Ill do the same.

The interim president named by Congress, Roberto Micheletti, said Zelaya could be arrested for violating the constitution if he returns. He also said he would not resign no matter how intense the international pressure on Honduras becomes.

Not sure if this is the source ES used for her quotes but it is an AP piece, link.