A Firearm in Every Home.

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Still thinking about you telling me it was my own personal issues, today I decided to ask some people whether or not they would feel threatened if everyone had a gun.

16 out of 17 replied yes, they would feel threatened. That is about 94% by the way.

Of course I didn't ask that many people, but I think that it prooves it is not just me.

You're right, it is a cultural issue and I apologise.

Actually in 2008 the number of deaths by Automobile and by Gun shot were almost even. Forget your term criminal activity. Accident and sucicide should be included. Statistics show as the economy goes down auto deaths go down. The reverse is true of gun related deaths. We can expect gun death to really spike this year.

I was raised on Guns. Every room of my fathers house was a gun room at one time. I owned and handled guns from an early age. I am a charter Member of at least 3 state gun associations. My father has 9 guns he made in The Smithsonian Museum of American History. I have a long long history with guns. I know both the good and the bad of gun ownership.

One truth I found is that the more people you have with guns the more deaths and accidents you will have. I know of at least 5 individual trained Gun collectors that have shot themselves with "unloaded guns". I know several hunters that have shot or have been shot by accident or fall out of a tree stand because they were holding onto a gun instead of hanging on. Adults can't be trained about the proper use of firearms, so how on earth are you going to teach children. People in general become very stupid when it comes to guns or automobiles. If you put a gun in every drivers hand it would solve some of the congestion on our highways. Road rage would take on a whole new meaning.

The stats for 2008 are published? Care to share the link? Ive been looking for them on the web and havent found them. Ill see if I can find statistics for remote villages where allmost every home has a firearm.

If you want to own a gun fine. If you want your Kids to be trained about guns fine. If you make Gun training univerally mandatory you are asking for a disaster. Gun deaths would definately go up.

Im not talking more guns Im talking about safety training. Bring back the Eddie Eagle Program and it wouldnt cost the taxpayers anything. So why would firearm deaths go up with increased safety training?

Even if the safety training did bring 1 firearm to every household that wouldnt be a great increase in the USA, it would be a huge start as long as the arms are legally obtained.

Yes the thread title sucked, but it did get alot of hits and even flattered me with a spinoff thread.
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10 people live and, I think, nobody got raped because someone used a firearm. So much for firearms being used only to take lives.

College Student Shoots, Kills Home Invader

Posted: 4:53 pm EDT May 4, 2009
Updated: 6:41 pm EDT May 4, 2009
COLLEGE PARK, Ga. -- A group of college students said they are lucky to be alive and they’re thanking the quick-thinking of one of their own. Police said a fellow student shot and killed one of two masked me who burst into an apartment.

Channel 2 Action News reporter Tom Jones met with one of the students to talk about the incident.

“Apparently, his intent was to rape and murder us all,” said student Charles Bailey.

TOM JONES: College Student Shoots, Kills Home Invader

Bailey said he thought it was the end of his life and the lives of the 10 people inside his apartment for a birthday party after two masked men with guns burst in through a patio door.

“They just came in and separated the men from the women and said, ‘Give me your wallets and cell phones,’” said George Williams of the College Park Police Department.

Bailey said the gunmen started counting bullets. “The other guy asked how many (bullets) he had. He said he had enough,” said Bailey.

That’s when one student grabbed a gun out of a backpack and shot at the invader who was watching the men. The gunman ran out of the apartment.

The student then ran to the room where the second gunman, identified by police as 23-year-old Calvin Lavant, was holding the women.

“Apparently the guy was getting ready to rape his girlfriend. So he told the girls to get down and he started shooting. The guy jumped out of the window,” said Bailey.

A neighbor heard the shots and heard someone running nearby.

“And I heard someone say, ‘Someone help me. Call the police. Somebody call the police,’” said a neighbor.

The neighbor said she believes it was Lavant, who was found dead near his apartment, only one building away.

Bailey said he is just thankful one student risked his life to keep others alive.

“I think all of us are really cognizant of the fact that we could have all been killed,” said Bailey.

One female student was shot several times during the crossfire. She is expected to make a full recovery.

Police said they are close to making the arrest of the second suspect.

Source.

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You're right, it is a cultural issue and I apologise.

It has nothing to do with culture, and it is not an issue. It's common sense. Anyones opinion that is different from your own doesn't make it an 'issue' you know.

Hardly an apology, you are still insulting me, if anything it's worse, insulting a whole culture. Talk about categorizing.

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The stats for 2008 are published? Care to share the link? Ive been looking for them on the web and havent found them. Ill see if I can find statistics for remote villages where allmost every home has a firearm.

http://www.nysun.com/national/surpri...uicides/80978/

This link points out that a 55 percent of gunshot deaths is suicide.

There are several links that point out that a good percentage of these
are teenagers. Unfortunately we are seeing a trend where those
suicidal people are taking others with them.

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It has nothing to do with culture, and it is not an issue. It's common sense. Anyones opinion that is different from your own doesn't make it an 'issue' you know.

Hardly an apology, you are still insulting me, if anything it's worse, insulting a whole culture. Talk about categorizing.

Try to keep a stiff upper lip.

So the USA doesnt have common sense? Who is insulting who?

http://www.nysun.com/national/surpri...uicides/80978/

This link points out that a 55 percent of gunshot deaths is suicide.

There are several links that point out that a good percentage of these
are teenagers. Unfortunately we are seeing a trend where those
suicidal people are taking others with them.

Thanks for the link. I think the CDC has all of the 2005 numbers posted, this gives me a starting point.

I have a wierd obsesion with statistics.

[Whisk_Luva]

Try to keep a stiff upper lip.

So the USA doesnt have common sense? Who is insulting who?

Stiff upper lip? What's that got to do with anything? Unless you are just going by the stereotype of British people, which again is fairly insulting.

Did I say the USA had no common sense? No. I am only saying that it's normal for people, in the UK AND outside the UK to feel threatened, even the slightest bit, about guns and the possibility that killers could be carrying a gun legally or how accidents are likely to happen, especially with children knowing how to use them. I was in no way trying to offend the USA with my comment.

You stated directly that it was a cultural issue and that is not fair. It's categorizing and judging people.

Good point about the suicide thing kokopup, I didn't think of that.

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Stiff upper lip? What's that got to do with anything? Unless you are just going by the stereotype of British people, which again is fairly insulting.

Sorry there was no Monty Python smiley.

Did I say the USA had no common sense? No. I am only saying that it's normal for people, in the UK AND outside the UK to feel threatened, even the slightest bit, about guns and the possibility that killers could be carrying a gun legally or how accidents are likely to happen, especially with children knowing how to use them. I was in no way trying to offend the USA with my comment.

You stated directly that it was a cultural issue and that is not fair. It's categorizing and judging people.

The Swiss dont seem to have a big firearm problem, and they keep full auto firearms in their homes, so what would you call it if it isnt a cultural issue?

If you think the UK and other countries with severe restrictions on firearms are following common sense, the obvious ass/ump/tion is you think the USA doesnt have common sense.

[Whisk_Luva]

Sorry there was no Monty Python smiley.



The Swiss dont seem to have a big firearm problem, and they keep full auto firearms in their homes, so what would you call it if it isnt a cultural issue?

If you think the UK and other countries with severe restrictions on firearms are following common sense, the obvious ass/ump/tion is you think the USA doesnt have common sense.

A difference of culture. The word issue is not needed, it's implying something is wrong with that country, and the people in that country, and thats not fair.

I didn't say countries with servere restrictions followed common sense, I said feeling threatened is, it's a normal reaction. Thats all I meant by that comment.

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A difference of culture. The word issue is not needed, it's implying something is wrong with that country, and the people in that country, and thats not fair.

I didn't say countries with servere restrictions followed common sense, I said feeling threatened is, it's a normal reaction. Thats all I meant by that comment.

Semantics, another a cultural issue.

We could even break it down state by state in the USA. People in CA, and NY are going to have more issues with legal gun owners the people who live in AK or MT.

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