An Officer's Obligation

[Edwina's Secretary]

It sometimes surprises me that we exepct our politicians and military (and everyone but us somehow) to behave better than the average person does.

The military is made up of ordinary citizen who have volunteered to do a particular job.

Politicians are ordinary citizens who have volunteered to be elected to do a particular job.

Neither group is made up of people who are better or worse than the rest of "us." They are just a sampling of "us."

And some of "us" will obey an illegal order and some of "us" will not.

Some of "us" will give an illegal order and some of "us" will not.

We cannot expect more of "them" than we are willing to expect of "us."

[Puckstop31]

It sometimes surprises me that we exepct our politicians and military (and everyone but us somehow) to behave better than the average person does.

Well... Yes. They all raised their hands and swore to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States. Once upon a time, a persons WORD meant something.

The military is made up of ordinary citizen who have volunteered to do a particular job.

I believe the military is made of EXTRAORDINARY citizens. Citizens who have willingly sacrificed a bit of their freedom to protect everybody elses.

Politicians are ordinary citizens who have volunteered to be elected to do a particular job.

Now only if they would ACT like it. Rather than act like they are better and smarter than us.....

Neither group is made up of people who are better or worse than the rest of "us." They are just a sampling of "us."

And some of "us" will obey an illegal order and some of "us" will not.

Some of "us" will give an illegal order and some of "us" will not.

We cannot expect more of "them" than we are willing to expect of "us."

So... Are you defending the use of torture? Or are you making an excuse for it?

[blue]

So with ES' argument, we shouldnt hold police officers to a higher standard either?

[Edwina's Secretary]

So with ES' argument, we shouldnt hold police officers to a higher standard either?

How interesting Blue, that you think of holding some people to a lower standard...rather than holding all of us to a higher standard.

Predictable, but interesting.

[blue]

How interesting Blue, that you think of holding some people to a lower standard...rather than holding all of us to a higher standard.

Predictable, but interesting.

Please expand on your logic.

ETA: Where have I said we should all be held to the same standard, higher or lower?

[blue]

It sometimes surprises me that we exepct our politicians and military (and everyone but us somehow) to behave better than the average person does.

The military is made up of ordinary citizen who have volunteered to do a particular job.

Politicians are ordinary citizens who have volunteered to be elected to do a particular job.

Neither group is made up of people who are better or worse than the rest of "us." They are just a sampling of "us."

And some of "us" will obey an illegal order and some of "us" will not.

Some of "us" will give an illegal order and some of "us" will not.

We cannot expect more of "them" than we are willing to expect of "us."

From the mister that made an example that the military shouldnt be held to a higher standard.

Hey great idea. No military has EVER needed civilian oversight. Nope, nope...NO MILITARY has EVER gone too far....

[Edwina's Secretary]

From the mister that made an example that the military shouldnt be held to a higher standard.

"Trust, but verify"

[blue]

"Trust, but verify"

Dont you mean. Товарищ, доверие, но проверяй.

[blue]

As I said in my statement of December 9, 2007: 'I was briefed on interrogation techniques the (Bush) administration was considering using in the future. The administration advised that legal counsel for both the CIA and the Department of Justice had concluded that the techniques were legal.

Source.

So Liz, what did you find that contradicts Mrs Pelosi, on what constitutes torture?

And ES, it seems we cant доверие Mrs Pelosi and we cant проверяй her stance either...

[Edwina's Secretary]

Dont you mean. Товарищ, доверие, но проверяй.

No.

[blue]

No.

So expound on what you where trying to say then.

Because , Comrade, what you said was, доверие, и проверить.

[Edwina's Secretary]

In this thread you have called me "mister" and "comrade."

Too, too funny!

You want me to expand on what I said...okay.

I said "no."