Courtesy, manners and tradition

**Catlady711** · 01-21-2009, 12:29 AM

Originally Posted by Twisterdog

At one time, a lady showing her ankles in public was not only considered rude, it was illegal. At one time, people of different races would not have dreamed of speaking to each other on the street. At one time, people bathed only once a week, or once a month, or once a year. Obviously, someone started a rebellion against these things. Thank goodness, IMO.

What is actually normal and acceptable in our society, any society, is change. Manners, customs, norms, laws all change over time. A society that refuses to change ... vanishes.

One word.....

Amish

**carole** · 01-21-2009, 02:28 AM

catlady you do raise a very good point, and twisterdog, you are indeed brave to say that to people who offend you with bad language, it is actually against the law to swear as such in public i believe, but of course it is never enforced, or maybe i am wrong here, but i always thought it was at least down under.

I tried it once myself i was in burger king with my then young daughter, melissa was about six at the time, these young kids a bit older than her perhaps eight or ten were using the F word, i said something, all i got was more abuse and felt really intimidated, yes even by these children, i have since learn't to just try and close my ears to it all,except it is so hard when you here it everywhere, i am much the same as you twisterdog, i am no saint, but i do watch my P's and Q's in public and in front of children.

**pomtzu** · 01-21-2009, 06:21 AM

Originally Posted by Catlady711

One word.....

Amish

If you're saying that the Amish don't change - that's not completely true. No - they haven't changed too much - nothing like the rest of society - but changes are there.

Some - not all of them, now have electricity in their homes, they use power tools, they RIDE in cars (but don't own them or drive them), use cell phones - and yes - they even shop at Walmart!!!

Small changes and a long time coming, but none-the-less, even they are changing to survive in this ever-changing world.

**Twisterdog** · 01-21-2009, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by Catlady711

One word.....

Amish

My point exactly. They are a very small "society". And they exist, quite honestly, because of the grace of the modern American people. Traditionally, all throughout history, the more progressive soceities have swallowed the change-resistant ones. Native American, Mayan, untold African tribes ... the list is very long. Is it right? No. Is it human nature? Obviously.

Oh, and the Amish change - don't think for one minute that they are not reaping the benefits of this modern society. Did the Amish of a hundred years ago get a ride to Walmart in their neighbors car? Did they use the pay phone? Did they buy yards of fabric for their clothes? Did they make a small fortune selling puppies to pet stores? Did they market their furniture and hand crafts on the internet? Sounds like change to me ...

**smokey the elder** · 01-23-2009, 12:34 PM

I hate to pop everyone's utopian view of the Amish; they are suspected of running puppy mills.

Having said that, they as a whole seem like good folks, wanting to be left alone. I remember how uncomfortable they were with all the publicity surrounding that massacre in the school house.

**phesina** · 01-23-2009, 04:13 PM

They're not just suspected of running puppy mills: I think it's been thoroughly and clearly documented. Oprah even did a whole show about it!

**Cataholic** · 01-26-2009, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by phesina

They're not just suspected of running puppy mills: I think it's been thoroughly and clearly documented. Oprah even did a whole show about it!

I have/had heard that the Amish treat their animals horribly. I realize that not ALL Amish do this, but, nonetheless, with what I have read/heard, I do not buy Amish.

**shepgirl** · 01-26-2009, 02:06 PM

Weird that the converstion has turned to Amish people. I was just given a "beginner's bag" of some kind of bread that is started by them and they give people a starter bag so you can make the bread but you always have starter bags that you pass on and the next person passes on, and on, etc. Never heard of this before but the bread is delicious and I have a list of ingredients to add to the starter kit so I might just give it a try. I can't remember what the person called it now...I think it was the "Friendship Bread".
Anyone else ever hear of this?

**JenBKR** · 01-26-2009, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by shepgirl

Weird that the converstion has turned to Amish people. I was just given a "beginner's bag" of some kind of bread that is started by them and they give people a starter bag so you can make the bread but you always have starter bags that you pass on and the next person passes on, and on, etc. Never heard of this before but the bread is delicious and I have a list of ingredients to add to the starter kit so I might just give it a try. I can't remember what the person called it now...I think it was the "Friendship Bread".
Anyone else ever hear of this?

Oh yes I love friendship bread! Yummy