Since some have a limited sense of humor and to avoid confusion I editted my earlier post. "Fixing" the quote wasnt done out of spite or to cause any confusion, it was my attempt at a funnay which is why I used the red letterring.

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If a person uses an automobile as a weapon to cause harm or to kill another the innanimate object did not fail in its intended use by the operator.

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When a criminal kills someone with a gun yes ES is correct.

When a legal gun owner uses a gun to kill someone trying to rape a woman, ES is correct. When a legal gun owner uses a gun to protect themselves or their loved ones from an attacker, ES is again correct.

Im sure even ES can see the difference.

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Honest people who argue for the protection of the 2nd Amendment hope to never need to use their firearms against another human being, they do not go out looking for an excuse to brandish or use their weapon. Owning guns isnt allways about protection as both I and Puck have pointed out.

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Ive been to Chicago a few times now visiting my brother. I never felt the need to illegally carry there or felt threatened there, even while wanderring unfamiliar streets at 4am drunk alone.

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ES, I never felt the need to kill someone either, but I once thought I would have to to protect myself.

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Cannons are destructive devices and allways have been, not a fire arm by definition. They where invented as a defensive fixed weapon and later made into a mobile offensive weapon.

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Proficiency with firearms is an Olympic event. It seems the use of firearms is more then just killing people.

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I had a shotgun stolen as well, allmost the same circumstances as Desert Arabian. The APD has the serial number and to date it has not been recovered. The theif moved a far more valuable rifle and my 77 Jazz bass out of the way to take the shotgun, criminals are dumb.

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ES have you ever been to the Highland Games and watched the Hammer Toss?

Why is what it was invented for and what it is used for, a meaningfull arguement? Charles Manson once told the parole board "I can kill you with this book!"

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ES, how is quoting what Desert Arabian posted and completely twisting it to mean something that was a polar opposite to what was meant not poor form? I admit that I have done the exact same thing and I freely admit that it was poor form and confusing to the casual reader.

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Caseysmom, copy and pasting from the AAP would be the same as me copy and pasting from the NRA. It is bias and not fact. If ES based her opinions on the CDC or FBI raw numbers she would have a much stronger footing on her stance against firearms.