Firearms. Yea or Nay?

[Edwina's Secretary]

ES, you keep preaching that guns are so bad and kids are in danger because of them. Well, let me tell you this twisted, little personal story. I moved out on my own two years ago- it was just me and my 2 rabbits- I lived in a very crime rampant part of Milwaukee. So, I had one of my shotguns locked and loaded in my bedroom for self protection. One day I came home to find my apartment broken in to- the screen slit open. I immediately ran in to my bedroom to find that my shotgun was gone. Want to know who stole my shotgun (and $1300 laptop)? A THIRTEEN YEAR OLD (13) CHILD. His mother called him in to the cops when she found out he commited the crime. Did I get my gun back? Nope! He refused to say who he gave it to- I have yet to recieve a call from the MPD saying that my gun has been found. Not all children are little angels.

What a perfect story to illustrate my point! Your gun was not used to protect you. It was stolen and given or sold to someone who will probably use it to commit a crime.

Well done!

So you are advocating shooting 13 year old boys?

Isn't keeping a loaded gun around one of those gun safety no-nos? Or am I just being naive again?

[caseysmom]

Whats with all the name calling lately??? ES is naive and a clown because she has a different opinion than you?

Like I said before I don't feel very strong either way on this issue but your story did not prove any point in favor of guns in my opinion.

[Desert Arabian]

Whats with all the name calling lately??? ES is naive and a clown because she has a different opinion than you?

Like I said before I don't feel very strong either way on this issue but your story did not prove any point in favor of guns in my opinion.

It has nothing to do with the fact that she has an opposite view of mine - it's the fact that she is not well educated on firearms, does not have a slightest clue about the topic, yet tries to preach as if she does. Get facts straight before making statements- otherwise you look like a fool.

[caseysmom]

Seems she has done her fair share of research, yes it may be from the american academy of pediatrics and not from the NRA so she does sound foolish

[Puckstop31]

Seems she has done her fair share of research, yes it may be from the american academy of pediatrics and not from the NRA so she does sound foolish

All that "research" does is tug at heart strings of emotional people. It does not make a case as to why a fundamental, God given, 2nd Amendment confirmed right should be removed from supposedly FREE, law abiding US citizens.

A thief steals a gun. So we ban the gun? PUH-LEASE. That has to be the most absurd "logic" ever.

God, I cannot wait to get the hell out of the city. Out in an area where EVERYBODY is armed and crime is nearly non-existent. Good ole' leave the doors unlocked**, everybody is welcome, "fly over country".

**City folk need not apply. Please stay contained in your cages.

/rant

Yes, this is the Puckstop31 you all hate. I am having a one night relapse because I am sick of the uneducated, emotional nonsense.

[caseysmom]

All that "research" does is tug at heart strings of emotional people. It does not make a case as to why a fundamental, God given, 2nd Amendment confirmed right should be removed from supposedly FREE, law abiding US citizens.

A thief steals a gun. So we ban the gun? PUH-LEASE. That has to be the most absurd "logic" ever.

God, I cannot wait to get the hell out of the city. Out in an area where EVERYBODY is armed and crime is nearly non-existent. Good ole' leave the doors unlocked**, everybody is welcome, "fly over country".

**City folk need not apply. Please stay contained in your cages.

/rant

Yes, this is the Puckstop31 you all hate. I am having a one night relapse because I am sick of the uneducated, emotional nonsense.

Awww this is the puck we have all grown to love if you get too obnoxious we just sic sparks on ya...

I just like to see a fair fight...and I agree with blue the twising of desert arabians words did not constitute a fair fight either...

now everone..take twenty steps and unholster your guns

[sparks19]

Awww this is the puck we have all grown to love if you get too obnoxious we just sic sparks on ya...

I just like to see a fair fight...and I agree with blue the twising of desert arabians words did not constitute a fair fight either...

now everone..take twenty steps and unholster your guns

LOL I have said it before...

he's like a good beer... an aquired taste but can be a lot of fun if you just give it a chance LOL

[blue]

Since some have a limited sense of humor and to avoid confusion I editted my earlier post. "Fixing" the quote wasnt done out of spite or to cause any confusion, it was my attempt at a funnay which is why I used the red letterring.

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If a person uses an automobile as a weapon to cause harm or to kill another the innanimate object did not fail in its intended use by the operator.

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When a criminal kills someone with a gun yes ES is correct.

When a legal gun owner uses a gun to kill someone trying to rape a woman, ES is correct. When a legal gun owner uses a gun to protect themselves or their loved ones from an attacker, ES is again correct.

Im sure even ES can see the difference.

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Honest people who argue for the protection of the 2nd Amendment hope to never need to use their firearms against another human being, they do not go out looking for an excuse to brandish or use their weapon. Owning guns isnt allways about protection as both I and Puck have pointed out.

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Ive been to Chicago a few times now visiting my brother. I never felt the need to illegally carry there or felt threatened there, even while wanderring unfamiliar streets at 4am drunk alone.

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ES, I never felt the need to kill someone either, but I once thought I would have to to protect myself.

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Cannons are destructive devices and allways have been, not a fire arm by definition. They where invented as a defensive fixed weapon and later made into a mobile offensive weapon.

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Proficiency with firearms is an Olympic event. It seems the use of firearms is more then just killing people.

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I had a shotgun stolen as well, allmost the same circumstances as Desert Arabian. The APD has the serial number and to date it has not been recovered. The theif moved a far more valuable rifle and my 77 Jazz bass out of the way to take the shotgun, criminals are dumb.

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ES have you ever been to the Highland Games and watched the Hammer Toss?

Why is what it was invented for and what it is used for, a meaningfull arguement? Charles Manson once told the parole board "I can kill you with this book!"

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ES, how is quoting what Desert Arabian posted and completely twisting it to mean something that was a polar opposite to what was meant not poor form? I admit that I have done the exact same thing and I freely admit that it was poor form and confusing to the casual reader.

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Caseysmom, copy and pasting from the AAP would be the same as me copy and pasting from the NRA. It is bias and not fact. If ES based her opinions on the CDC or FBI raw numbers she would have a much stronger footing on her stance against firearms.

[sparks19]

Well argue all you want... to me it doesn't matter. YOU will not be the ones protecting my family and my daughter IF the unthinkable should happen. Do I live my life in fear? No I do not. I enjoy my life. I try to wake each day with a smile on my face and in my heart and enjoy everyday I have. You don't like that we have guns in our house... tough. it doesn't make a lick of difference to me because again... YOu will NOT be the one coming to my rescue if a criminal were to have their way.

Do I sit here in my house daily and think "Gosh I need a gun to protect myself from the awful world" ... NOpe. but I also don't sit here and think daily "Gosh I need a fire extinguisher in case a completely random fire were to break out in my home" but I still have one. Yes yes... I know what is coming next from the nay sayers "a fire extinguisher isn't intended to kill people" and you're right... it's not. But it will help me fight against the unthinkable... and I will have it to protect my family. Just as I will not go down without one HELL of a fight if someone comes in with the intent to hurt me and my precious innocent daughter.

YOu don't have to like it and you can argue against it all you want... but I don't really care... it falls on deaf ears. My daughters care is in MY hands and my husbands hands and I will NOT rely on anyone else to protect her in such a situation. by the time the cops come... it will be too late... so in the meantime I will do whatever it takes.

[blue]

Well argue all you want... to me it doesn't matter. YOU will not be the ones protecting my family and my daughter IF the unthinkable should happen. Do I live my life in fear? No I do not. I enjoy my life. I try to wake each day with a smile on my face and in my heart and enjoy everyday I have. You don't like that we have guns in our house... tough. it doesn't make a lick of difference to me because again... YOu will NOT be the one coming to my rescue if a criminal were to have their way.

Do I sit here in my house daily and think "Gosh I need a gun to protect myself from the awful world" ... NOpe. but I also don't sit here and think daily "Gosh I need a fire extinguisher in case a completely random fire were to break out in my home" but I still have one. Yes yes... I know what is coming next from the nay sayers "a fire extinguisher isn't intended to kill people" and you're right... it's not. But it will help me fight against the unthinkable... and I will have it to protect my family. Just as I will not go down without one HELL of a fight if someone comes in with the intent to hurt me and my precious innocent daughter.

YOu don't have to like it and you can argue against it all you want... but I don't really care... it falls on deaf ears. My daughters care is in MY hands and my husbands hands and I will NOT rely on anyone else to protect her in such a situation. by the time the cops come... it will be too late... so in the meantime I will do whatever it takes.

FTW!

[Edwina's Secretary]

Just as I will not go down without one HELL of a fight if someone comes in with the intent to hurt me and my precious innocent daughter.

YOu don't have to like it and you can argue against it all you want... but I don't really care... it falls on deaf ears.

Oh that's okay Sparky. I don't buy anything the gun lovers are selling either!

I now understand some people feel the need to have guns because they are afraid of the military taking over as stated earlier. And I think I understand others to say they live in really bad places full of really bad people just waiting to harm them. And they are very, very frightened of other people. And that the only way they can assuage their fears is by having instruments created for killing those people handy.

I do not live in this cage of fear.

And this thread has made me realize how very, very angry and scared some people are. And I am sorry they have to live life with all this fear and anger. It must be very limiting.

[Desert Arabian]

What a perfect story to illustrate my point! Your gun was not used to protect you. It was stolen and given or sold to someone who will probably use it to commit a crime.

Well done!

So you are advocating shooting 13 year old boys?

Isn't keeping a loaded gun around one of those gun safety no-nos? Or am I just being naive again?

Don't you dare shove words in my mouth!!!!!!! Why would I want to shoot a 13 year old kid? Hmm, well maybe if he shot at me first in attempt to kill me?! That's a whole 'nother arguement, and your not the one I feel like wasting my time on with that.

Yes, you are correct- my firearm was most likely given to someone and is being used to commit a crime. My firearm is in the hands of some sick, twisted, mentally disturbed indivdual who is using it in senseless crimes. BLAME THE PERSON NOT THE GUN! When the gun was in my hands- it was safe. My safety was violated when that little kid slit the screen and entered my home without permission. Thank god I was not home- what would he have done if he stumbled upon me inside? Was he armed? Would he have attempted to hurt me - or just flee and run? Who knows.

Keeping a loaded gun in a home with children, within reach of children is a very large safety issue! Do I have children? Did children ever enter my residence? NO. Had a child entered my home, the firearm would have been unloaded, place in a gun case, and well hidden out of view. Keeping an undloaded firearm for protection serves no purpose. I would be shot (and killed ?) before I even had a chance to retireve the ammuntion, attempt to load it in to my gun, and pull the trigger in defense.