Firearms. Yea or Nay?

[caseysmom]

Seems she has done her fair share of research, yes it may be from the american academy of pediatrics and not from the NRA so she does sound foolish

[Puckstop31]

Seems she has done her fair share of research, yes it may be from the american academy of pediatrics and not from the NRA so she does sound foolish

All that "research" does is tug at heart strings of emotional people. It does not make a case as to why a fundamental, God given, 2nd Amendment confirmed right should be removed from supposedly FREE, law abiding US citizens.

A thief steals a gun. So we ban the gun? PUH-LEASE. That has to be the most absurd "logic" ever.

God, I cannot wait to get the hell out of the city. Out in an area where EVERYBODY is armed and crime is nearly non-existent. Good ole' leave the doors unlocked**, everybody is welcome, "fly over country".

**City folk need not apply. Please stay contained in your cages.

/rant

Yes, this is the Puckstop31 you all hate. I am having a one night relapse because I am sick of the uneducated, emotional nonsense.

[caseysmom]

All that "research" does is tug at heart strings of emotional people. It does not make a case as to why a fundamental, God given, 2nd Amendment confirmed right should be removed from supposedly FREE, law abiding US citizens.

A thief steals a gun. So we ban the gun? PUH-LEASE. That has to be the most absurd "logic" ever.

God, I cannot wait to get the hell out of the city. Out in an area where EVERYBODY is armed and crime is nearly non-existent. Good ole' leave the doors unlocked**, everybody is welcome, "fly over country".

**City folk need not apply. Please stay contained in your cages.

/rant

Yes, this is the Puckstop31 you all hate. I am having a one night relapse because I am sick of the uneducated, emotional nonsense.

Awww this is the puck we have all grown to love if you get too obnoxious we just sic sparks on ya...

I just like to see a fair fight...and I agree with blue the twising of desert arabians words did not constitute a fair fight either...

now everone..take twenty steps and unholster your guns

[sparks19]

Awww this is the puck we have all grown to love if you get too obnoxious we just sic sparks on ya...

I just like to see a fair fight...and I agree with blue the twising of desert arabians words did not constitute a fair fight either...

now everone..take twenty steps and unholster your guns

LOL I have said it before...

he's like a good beer... an aquired taste but can be a lot of fun if you just give it a chance LOL

[blue]

Since some have a limited sense of humor and to avoid confusion I editted my earlier post. "Fixing" the quote wasnt done out of spite or to cause any confusion, it was my attempt at a funnay which is why I used the red letterring.

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If a person uses an automobile as a weapon to cause harm or to kill another the innanimate object did not fail in its intended use by the operator.

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When a criminal kills someone with a gun yes ES is correct.

When a legal gun owner uses a gun to kill someone trying to rape a woman, ES is correct. When a legal gun owner uses a gun to protect themselves or their loved ones from an attacker, ES is again correct.

Im sure even ES can see the difference.

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Honest people who argue for the protection of the 2nd Amendment hope to never need to use their firearms against another human being, they do not go out looking for an excuse to brandish or use their weapon. Owning guns isnt allways about protection as both I and Puck have pointed out.

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Ive been to Chicago a few times now visiting my brother. I never felt the need to illegally carry there or felt threatened there, even while wanderring unfamiliar streets at 4am drunk alone.

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ES, I never felt the need to kill someone either, but I once thought I would have to to protect myself.

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Cannons are destructive devices and allways have been, not a fire arm by definition. They where invented as a defensive fixed weapon and later made into a mobile offensive weapon.

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Proficiency with firearms is an Olympic event. It seems the use of firearms is more then just killing people.

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I had a shotgun stolen as well, allmost the same circumstances as Desert Arabian. The APD has the serial number and to date it has not been recovered. The theif moved a far more valuable rifle and my 77 Jazz bass out of the way to take the shotgun, criminals are dumb.

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ES have you ever been to the Highland Games and watched the Hammer Toss?

Why is what it was invented for and what it is used for, a meaningfull arguement? Charles Manson once told the parole board "I can kill you with this book!"

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ES, how is quoting what Desert Arabian posted and completely twisting it to mean something that was a polar opposite to what was meant not poor form? I admit that I have done the exact same thing and I freely admit that it was poor form and confusing to the casual reader.

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Caseysmom, copy and pasting from the AAP would be the same as me copy and pasting from the NRA. It is bias and not fact. If ES based her opinions on the CDC or FBI raw numbers she would have a much stronger footing on her stance against firearms.

[sparks19]

Well argue all you want... to me it doesn't matter. YOU will not be the ones protecting my family and my daughter IF the unthinkable should happen. Do I live my life in fear? No I do not. I enjoy my life. I try to wake each day with a smile on my face and in my heart and enjoy everyday I have. You don't like that we have guns in our house... tough. it doesn't make a lick of difference to me because again... YOu will NOT be the one coming to my rescue if a criminal were to have their way.

Do I sit here in my house daily and think "Gosh I need a gun to protect myself from the awful world" ... NOpe. but I also don't sit here and think daily "Gosh I need a fire extinguisher in case a completely random fire were to break out in my home" but I still have one. Yes yes... I know what is coming next from the nay sayers "a fire extinguisher isn't intended to kill people" and you're right... it's not. But it will help me fight against the unthinkable... and I will have it to protect my family. Just as I will not go down without one HELL of a fight if someone comes in with the intent to hurt me and my precious innocent daughter.

YOu don't have to like it and you can argue against it all you want... but I don't really care... it falls on deaf ears. My daughters care is in MY hands and my husbands hands and I will NOT rely on anyone else to protect her in such a situation. by the time the cops come... it will be too late... so in the meantime I will do whatever it takes.

[blue]

Well argue all you want... to me it doesn't matter. YOU will not be the ones protecting my family and my daughter IF the unthinkable should happen. Do I live my life in fear? No I do not. I enjoy my life. I try to wake each day with a smile on my face and in my heart and enjoy everyday I have. You don't like that we have guns in our house... tough. it doesn't make a lick of difference to me because again... YOu will NOT be the one coming to my rescue if a criminal were to have their way.

Do I sit here in my house daily and think "Gosh I need a gun to protect myself from the awful world" ... NOpe. but I also don't sit here and think daily "Gosh I need a fire extinguisher in case a completely random fire were to break out in my home" but I still have one. Yes yes... I know what is coming next from the nay sayers "a fire extinguisher isn't intended to kill people" and you're right... it's not. But it will help me fight against the unthinkable... and I will have it to protect my family. Just as I will not go down without one HELL of a fight if someone comes in with the intent to hurt me and my precious innocent daughter.

YOu don't have to like it and you can argue against it all you want... but I don't really care... it falls on deaf ears. My daughters care is in MY hands and my husbands hands and I will NOT rely on anyone else to protect her in such a situation. by the time the cops come... it will be too late... so in the meantime I will do whatever it takes.

FTW!

[Edwina's Secretary]

Just as I will not go down without one HELL of a fight if someone comes in with the intent to hurt me and my precious innocent daughter.

YOu don't have to like it and you can argue against it all you want... but I don't really care... it falls on deaf ears.

Oh that's okay Sparky. I don't buy anything the gun lovers are selling either!

I now understand some people feel the need to have guns because they are afraid of the military taking over as stated earlier. And I think I understand others to say they live in really bad places full of really bad people just waiting to harm them. And they are very, very frightened of other people. And that the only way they can assuage their fears is by having instruments created for killing those people handy.

I do not live in this cage of fear.

And this thread has made me realize how very, very angry and scared some people are. And I am sorry they have to live life with all this fear and anger. It must be very limiting.

[sparks19]

Good for you!

I'm neither angry or frightened to live my life

[Lady's Human]

ES, I'm neither angry nor scared.

It amuses me that anyone who disagrees with you in this thread is somethow suffering form some mental illness of some sort.

Prima facia evidence of elitism.

[lizbud]

Prima facia evidence of elitism.

You think so, do you? I believe it's a sign of a very well adjusted adult.

I also think folks who have to have a gun in their house to feel safe from
our government are maybe, a tiny bit paranoid. "the bogeyman is everywhere"

[Edwina's Secretary]

ES, I'm neither angry nor scared.

It amuses me that anyone who disagrees with you in this thread is somethow suffering form some mental illness of some sort.

Prima facia evidence of elitism.

I am so glad we amuse one another....What are people who disagree with you? Brilliant? Well-grounded? Right?

After all the names you have called me? Now you add elitist!

You're so cute when you run out of arguments...