Firearms. Yea or Nay?

[Lady's Human]

Sara, your latest (in this thread) objection to firearms is that they were created solely to kill.

So were knives.......other uses were found later.

Ditto for hammers, axes, etc.

Firearms have other uses as well (mainly recreational), you just choose to ignore them. They are also used as tools (nail guns, quite literally, and screw drivers which both use powder cartridges to drive the fastener home).

[Edwina's Secretary]

Sara, your latest (in this thread) objection to firearms is that they were created solely to kill.

So were knives.......other uses were found later.

Ditto for hammers, axes, etc.

Firearms have other uses as well (mainly recreational), you just choose to ignore them. They are also used as tools (nail guns, quite literally, and screw drivers which both use powder cartridges to drive the fastener home).

Really? Hammers were invented for the purpose of killing. Not...not for say...hammering? And knives. Not for cutting but for killing... Really?

Could you tell me where you get that idea?

I have a power screw driver and we have a nail gun around here as well.

But... neither one uses bullets.

Gun may be used for so-called recreation...but that is NOT the reason they were invented.

[Desert Arabian]

I love when naive people feel the need to spout their mouths on topics they are so ill-informed on. You really need to wake up Edwina’s Secretary and get your facts on guns straight- you’re making a clown of yourself.

Thanks for stating the obvious that firearms were designed to kill. Before the manufacturing of firearms people had to hunt with other means – tomahawks, bow/arrow, dart gun, knives – tools that are not as effective as a firearm. More than often the target is missed, clean kills are not made, and a very close range is needed to be effective. Using a firearm to hunt means that you can shoot animals at a much further distance, you can make more humane kills, have a chance of harvesting more than one animal at a time (as long as your aim is good ), and lessens the chance that one would be hurt in the attempt to kill an animal. Would you (“you” being anyone- no one in particular) rather gallop along side a buffalo on horseback, then jump on to the back of the buffalo- slit its throat, then stab it in the heart after its fallen to finish it off – or shoot it with one shot from a firearm? Which method seems more efficient and effective? It was FIREARMS aka GUNS that helped America gain the freedom that we have today – they helped us win many battles- without them America would not be what it is today. Were many human lives lost because of it? Yes. So be it- that’s life.


And yes, knives were desgined to help butcher and kill- ANIMALS. Their sole intention was no to help one dice tomatoes and cut open your envelope to get your mail out, nor were they invented to kill people. Machete’s and meat cleavers make a great tool to use for beheading and hacking off body parts. Small knives like daggars help stab and slit throats. Skinning knives helped separate and remove skin and flesh from carcasses- hence the name. Gut hook knives help rip open a body cavity so one can field dress (remove internal organs) an animal. And the spear- well that’s just another amazing tool in its self – it’s like a throwable knife- without the bulkyness and clumsyness of a tomahawk or hatchet!!

ES, you keep preaching that guns are so bad and kids are in danger because of them. Well, let me tell you this twisted, little personal story. I moved out on my own two years ago- it was just me and my 2 rabbits- I lived in a very crime rampant part of Milwaukee. So, I had one of my shotguns locked and loaded in my bedroom for self protection. One day I came home to find my apartment broken in to- the screen slit open. I immediately ran in to my bedroom to find that my shotgun was gone. Want to know who stole my shotgun (and $1300 laptop)? A THIRTEEN YEAR OLD (13) CHILD. His mother called him in to the cops when she found out he commited the crime. Did I get my gun back? Nope! He refused to say who he gave it to- I have yet to recieve a call from the MPD saying that my gun has been found. Not all children are little angels.

[Edwina's Secretary]

ES, you keep preaching that guns are so bad and kids are in danger because of them. Well, let me tell you this twisted, little personal story. I moved out on my own two years ago- it was just me and my 2 rabbits- I lived in a very crime rampant part of Milwaukee. So, I had one of my shotguns locked and loaded in my bedroom for self protection. One day I came home to find my apartment broken in to- the screen slit open. I immediately ran in to my bedroom to find that my shotgun was gone. Want to know who stole my shotgun (and $1300 laptop)? A THIRTEEN YEAR OLD (13) CHILD. His mother called him in to the cops when she found out he commited the crime. Did I get my gun back? Nope! He refused to say who he gave it to- I have yet to recieve a call from the MPD saying that my gun has been found. Not all children are little angels.

What a perfect story to illustrate my point! Your gun was not used to protect you. It was stolen and given or sold to someone who will probably use it to commit a crime.

Well done!

So you are advocating shooting 13 year old boys?

Isn't keeping a loaded gun around one of those gun safety no-nos? Or am I just being naive again?

[caseysmom]

Whats with all the name calling lately??? ES is naive and a clown because she has a different opinion than you?

Like I said before I don't feel very strong either way on this issue but your story did not prove any point in favor of guns in my opinion.

[Desert Arabian]

Whats with all the name calling lately??? ES is naive and a clown because she has a different opinion than you?

Like I said before I don't feel very strong either way on this issue but your story did not prove any point in favor of guns in my opinion.

It has nothing to do with the fact that she has an opposite view of mine - it's the fact that she is not well educated on firearms, does not have a slightest clue about the topic, yet tries to preach as if she does. Get facts straight before making statements- otherwise you look like a fool.

[caseysmom]

Seems she has done her fair share of research, yes it may be from the american academy of pediatrics and not from the NRA so she does sound foolish

[Desert Arabian]

What a perfect story to illustrate my point! Your gun was not used to protect you. It was stolen and given or sold to someone who will probably use it to commit a crime.

Well done!

So you are advocating shooting 13 year old boys?

Isn't keeping a loaded gun around one of those gun safety no-nos? Or am I just being naive again?

Don't you dare shove words in my mouth!!!!!!! Why would I want to shoot a 13 year old kid? Hmm, well maybe if he shot at me first in attempt to kill me?! That's a whole 'nother arguement, and your not the one I feel like wasting my time on with that.

Yes, you are correct- my firearm was most likely given to someone and is being used to commit a crime. My firearm is in the hands of some sick, twisted, mentally disturbed indivdual who is using it in senseless crimes. BLAME THE PERSON NOT THE GUN! When the gun was in my hands- it was safe. My safety was violated when that little kid slit the screen and entered my home without permission. Thank god I was not home- what would he have done if he stumbled upon me inside? Was he armed? Would he have attempted to hurt me - or just flee and run? Who knows.

Keeping a loaded gun in a home with children, within reach of children is a very large safety issue! Do I have children? Did children ever enter my residence? NO. Had a child entered my home, the firearm would have been unloaded, place in a gun case, and well hidden out of view. Keeping an undloaded firearm for protection serves no purpose. I would be shot (and killed ?) before I even had a chance to retireve the ammuntion, attempt to load it in to my gun, and pull the trigger in defense.