Why did you vote for Obama or not...?

**carole** · 11-12-2008, 11:16 PM

Yes same here, we even had this man on the telly who choose to be homeless, he was very likeable, but he relied on soup kitchens for meals, and he really just did not want the normal lifestyle,however he had been doing this for years and now decided he would change,amazing.

Yes unemployment is getting bad here too, we have had my husband laid off twice in different jobs, and it was no picnic in the park that's for sure, i am always scared it might happen again, especially the way things are right now,one can never feel secure.

Again to those people who are genuinely homeless through no fault of their own, you have my utmost empathy and understanding.

**Marigold2** · 11-13-2008, 08:00 PM

Humans have known for over 7000 years how and where babies come from. Millions of people know the answer to this question without ever seeing a book or having a test.
If people in Mexico and Africia can't afford a child they should keep their pants on and their hands busy trying to make their life better.
I just cannot understand how anyone could bring a child into this world knowing it will starve to death, that is murder and the adults need to put their urges aside and find a way to make their lives better.
I have no pity for these people.

**Edwina's Secretary** · 11-13-2008, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by Marigold2

Humans have known for over 7000 years how and where babies come from. Millions of people know the answer to this question without ever seeing a book or having a test.
If people in Mexico and Africia can't afford a child they should keep their pants on and their hands busy trying to make their life better.
I just cannot understand how anyone could bring a child into this world knowing it will starve to death, that is murder and the adults need to put their urges aside and find a way to make their lives better.
I have no pity for these people.

I have to disagree with you on this Marigold. There are many places on this earth where women do not have the power to refuse sex with their husbands.

There is also the issue of biology. Organism are driven to reproduce. It is why they exist. The imperative to reproduce is as strong as that for food and water.

I agree with the idea that people should only have children they and the planet can afford. But then reality intrudes.

**Marigold2** · 11-13-2008, 08:46 PM

ES, I certaintly understand the needs of the birds and bees. But I would find a way to put those aside for the life of my children or child.
On the other hand expecting teenagers to "just say no" is being naive.

**Edwina's Secretary** · 11-13-2008, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by Marigold2

ES, I certaintly understand the needs of the birds and bees. But I would find a way to put those aside for the life of my children or child.
On the other hand expecting teenagers to "just say no" is being naive.

Yes, you probably would find a different way. But you are not living the life people do in third world countries. And, as you understand that expecting teeangers to just say "no" is naive you surely understand that many of "those people" are merely teenagers as well. Life expectancy being what it is and all.

I think to have no compassion or pity because they do not know how to control the size of their families (other than total abstinence) is a bit...short-sighted?

I have never understood why missionaries and other religious/aid workers do not hand out birth control as the first thing. But that is for another thread.

**Marigold2** · 11-13-2008, 09:01 PM

LOL I am short sighted, been wearing glasses for years.

I am one of those people that when told it can't be done or you shouldn't do that, well that is a challage and I love challages, builds charactor, strength and it's fun as all get out.

**JenBKR** · 11-13-2008, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary

I have never understood why missionaries and other religious/aid workers do not hand out birth control as the first thing. But that is for another thread.

They do - many hand out condoms. However, some don't believe in birth control (mostly a sect of Catholics, I believe).

**Puckstop31** · 11-13-2008, 10:01 PM

I recall, during my time in Somalia... Remember, this was 1993/1994

We would find large amounts of unsed comdoms, still in wrappers. They were given to the "skinnies" by UN sponsored aid organizations. Why were they not used? The "Great Satan" wanted them to use them. Their Clerics told them Allah would disown them if they did....

Never forget that what WE (the west) see as reasonable rarely applies to the average 3rd world nation...

**Edwina's Secretary** · 11-13-2008, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by JenBKR

They do - many hand out condoms. However, some don't believe in birth control (mostly a sect of Catholics, I believe).

Just for the record...there are not "sects" of Catholics. And the Catholic church is opposed to all artificial birth control.

**caseysmom** · 11-13-2008, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by Marigold2

Humans have known for over 7000 years how and where babies come from. Millions of people know the answer to this question without ever seeing a book or having a test.
If people in Mexico and Africia can't afford a child they should keep their pants on and their hands busy trying to make their life better.
I just cannot understand how anyone could bring a child into this world knowing it will starve to death, that is murder and the adults need to put their urges aside and find a way to make their lives better.
I have no pity for these people.

Wow I can't even respond to this in a kind manner so I won't.