Why did you vote for Obama or not...?

[Edwina's Secretary]

Sara, the death penalty is not what is being discussed here although you always seem to feel ready to bring that up. Please stick to the topic. As I said before, this has been discussed here ad nauseum and so there will be no more posts from my end.

Sorry Pam. Nor was the topic abortion. I thought the topic was why did you or did you not vote for Obama.

You then turned the discussion to partial birth abortion.

And turned what had been a pleasant thread into another diatribe for anti-abortionist.

Are you (and LH) the only ones allowed to expand the subject?

[Lady's Human]

Sara, neither Pam nor myself brought abortion into the discussion, that was done many posts ago.

I saw no diatribe, only a discussion.

[K9soul]

I have commented little on political issues though I watch them very closely. I was sad to see this thread turn from a civil and honest discussion back into spatting and personal fights. I suppose it's to be expected, once a remark was made that another considered incorrect or inflammatory. I am glad it managed to stay out of the doghouse and stay respectful as long as it did.

That said, back when all of this was really raging over the net before Obama was elected, I wished to find out about the issue from a non-biased source that laid it all out. You can take from it what you will. You can read it and still feel Obama has a hidden agenda or is a liar. Or you can read it and understand why he says has voted the way he has on the issue.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...fanticide.html

I would like to quote this paragraph though:

Whether opposing "born alive" legislation is the same as supporting "infanticide," however, is entirely a matter of interpretation. That could be true only for those, such as Obama's 2004 Republican opponent, Alan Keyes, who believe a fetus that doctors give no chance of surviving is an "infant." It is worth noting that Illinois law already provided that physicians must protect the life of a fetus when there is "a reasonable likelihood of sustained survival of the fetus outside the womb, with or without artificial support."

[carole]

I was the one who started this thread, to learn more about American politics and what Americans want, I really don't want anyone to become offended or upset, we all have our opinions and views, some of us here are not religious and have different views about abortion,some of us are religious,and also share different views,some of our views have nothing to do with religion, it is just our view,no-one has the right to push their views on someone else,we all have to respect that and accept it.

The topic is not abortion, it is about why you voted for obama or not, of course this has come into it, because it is one of the reasons why some of you chose not to elect him,that is fine, but please don't turn this thread into for and against abortion,everyone is entitled to their opinions,and it is a very controversial and emotive subject which has been hashed our here on PT many times before.

I really don't want the thread to have to be deleted either by me or Karen, and i can see that ahead, I really am finding it so interesting and informative.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Sara, neither Pam nor myself brought abortion into the discussion, that was done many posts ago.

I saw no diatribe, only a discussion.

Why no outcry about sticking to the topic when abortion was brought in? Why only when the death sentence was?

And why am I not allowed to join in the discussion? Oh that's right. Because I have a different opinion...

[Lady's Human]

Out of respect for the OP, I shall remove myself from the discussion.

[K9soul]

Carole, I hope if it continues to spiral out of hand it will be locked rather than deleted. A lot of the replies were very informative and respectful.

[carole]

And you are entitled to your opinion 100 per cent.

Now back to the original topic, did Obama promise you things that really appealed to you? is he going to take the troops home? are their tax cuts ahead? just what has he promised to deliver the American people, that is what i would like to know? thanks.

Hey i am certain we can continue on with this discussion, i hope so , as i am learning a lot,never too old to learn.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Carole - I don't put much stock in promises. From any politician. Things change, unexpected things happen (such as 9/11). My vote was based on leadership, philosophy, values.

The president of the US cannot change the constitution, outlaw abortion or the death penalty, cannot raise taxes.

Much of his (or some day her ) power comes from the ability to lead, to influence, to inspire.

[carole]

Thank you.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

One thing for sure, he'd really have to work hard at it to get us in a bigger mess than we are in right now!

[lizbud]

Sorry Pam. Nor was the topic abortion. I thought the topic was why did you or did you not vote for Obama.

You then turned the discussion to partial birth abortion.

And turned what had been a pleasant thread into another diatribe for anti-abortionist.

Are you (and LH) the only ones allowed to expand the subject?

That's the way I've been reading this too. This thread has long ago
widened to off topic comments.

Any hoo, speaking of American Politics, what the heck is going on in Missouri?
They still having finished vote counting in that state.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

Any hoo, speaking of American Politics, what the heck is going on in Missouri?
They still having finished vote counting in that state.

I wonder if they bought Florida's old voting machines?

[Karen]

I wonder if they bought Florida's old voting machines?

Or they are paying someone by the hour to do the counting ... and in this economy, they've decide to stretch it out as long as plausible!

[Bonny]

We had a special voting machine brought in at the cost of $54,000.00 for blind people to use. No one used it! Talk about tax payers money being wasted?

I had a hard time picking the right person. My state was first to pick Obama. I saw him up close at the Iowa State Fair with body guards close at hand protecting him & tv cameras all over the place when we were eating our dinner at the pork producers tent. I don't know how he & his family could enjoy a meal with all the hype.

I was called a racist & predjudce when I mentioned I was not ready for a black president when I got mixed in with a group of liberals on here on another thread. I felt Obama was playing the race card. I wish him the best as president & hope he can fulfill his promises just as I had hoped my pick McCain/& my dear Sara Palin would of been obligated to do also. I did vote a split ticket though. I am an independent voter & weigh the issues, look at religion & morals & try to be fair even when life isn't.