About Prison Conditions (long)

[sparks19]

I read that article before and I also like the way he runs the jail. Jails today are more like a Spa . 3 great meals a day, libraries, time out for exercise, etc. Come on, these people are in jail for wrong doing, low level or not. I'll vote for that anytime. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. Bet when these guys get out of there they will think twice about doing something that will send them back.
We have people trying to set up a similar program for people on welfare who could be out working. To collect their cheques they are assigned jobs in the community, keeping the ditches and streets clean, helping the elderly, driving people to and from appts. , etc. Community work is always plentiful, this would help some people see how our tax dollars are spent. So much crying over this I don't know if it will be given a fair chance.

Oh I LOVE this idea. if they can't FIND paying jobs then they will be giving community service jobs since the community are the ones that are technically paying their way.

[critter crazy]

Prisoners should be treated like the scum that they are. I Love Sherriff Joe and the way he runs things. Hands Down!

[blue]

If the prisoners dont like the heat Im sure we can fence in a couple a thousand acres as a private prison and let them loose up here.

[Catty1]

Just curious - has anyone here had a friend or relative they liked wind up in jail?

[Lady's Human]

Blue, they wouldn't have to worry about food rotting, either, but I'd be more partial to the back 40 of Ft Drum, NY.

Hotter than hell in the summer, and long stretches of sub zero weather in the winter....and not much in between.

[critter crazy]

Blue, they wouldn't have to worry about food rotting, either, but I'd be more partial to the back 40 of Ft Drum, NY.

Hotter than hell in the summer, and long stretches of sub zero weather in the winter....and not much in between.

Dude, no kidding!! Everytime I went to Ft. Drum, no matter what time of the year, It ws always a miserable time!! We were there in August one year, and I froze my but off!!! LOL!! That would totally be a great spot for a Prison!

[RICHARD]

Arpaio runs a jail-not a prison.

I can see tossing a short term criminal into the clink there, but he doesn't have the facilities to house longer termed-hardened crooks in a setting like that.

The shire reeve is one of those creepy PIP who do things at an extreme level and then crow about it. Pink underwear, striped shirts and the chain gangs are part of putting down the law in the town and nothing more than that.

If the taxpayers are OK with him losing 30 million dollars -almost 2 million dollars a year since he was put in charge of the county's inmates, so be it.
Two million dollars a year hires how many more cops?
A few squad cars?
Overtime?
Community policing programs?
Equipment?

They just award criminals and their families money from the taxpayers that could be put to better use. As it is, they pay for that AHs arrogance and rules.

Yes, they did commit crimes and should be punished accordingly, but why should they be given a chance to benenfit from it? Would it make anyone feel good to put a person in jail who had a few parking tickets that were not paid and have them die there, in a jail that's closer to hell than it is punishment?


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It's pretty much the same with the El Lay county sheriffs- Look up the name Lee Baca and the stats on how the jails, more conventional that Arpaio's, wererun and you'd see the corruption, the beatings and deaths that occured under his watch.

[blue]

Just curious - has anyone here had a friend or relative they liked wind up in jail?

Ive worked with people I grew to like who spent 2-20 years in jail.

I also worked with a convicted pedophile I would have rather killed then work with him.

[jennielynn1970]

I've had friends and relatives who have ended up in jail. Some in county prisons, one, who was a boyfriend at one point (before the prison term) that I know of who was in federal. I actually found out about him being in prison by Googling his name. He had a tendency to go off the map for long periods of time, and it must have been 2002 or 2003 when it had been too long that I hadn't heard from him.

Turns out he somehow got into a counterfeiting operation, and had gotten caught with a gun that had the serial number filed off (this was in Philadeplia). I was absolutely shocked. This was a guy I had known for about 8 years at that point, and I never, ever thought he'd be involved in something like that. When we met we both did billing and collections for doctors and anesthesia. Where counterfeiting came into that, and illegal guns, I have no clue.

He ended up in federal prison, due to the illegal handgun (not the money), and I really don't know what happened to him in there, but I can imagine. He was tall, thin, not a very "masculine" guy, if you get my drift.

When I did confront him about the prison term, and all that had gone on, he did talk to me, and vowed he would never go back to federal prison. He was out on appeal.

The last time we talked he told me that the appeal was going well and everything should be fine. That was September of 2004. He killed himself a week later. I found out from his federally appointed attorney that he lost the appeal and was going to be going back to federal prison. They found him hanging from a tree the morning he was supposed to go back.

For him to do that, it still doesn't fit with the guy I knew. Just like what he did. That wasn't the guy I knew, loved and dated.

[critter crazy]

Just curious - has anyone here had a friend or relative they liked wind up in jail?

Yup, and they all deserved, some even went back. If they had gone to sherrif Joes prison, i highly doubt that tehy would have returned.

[shepgirl]

Oh I LOVE this idea. if they can't FIND paying jobs then they will be giving community service jobs since the community are the ones that are technically paying their way.

Our city loves the idea also. But guess who the loudest protesters are....you got it...the people on welfare. Those of course that have no reason to be on in the first place but know how to play the systwm so well they live better than most working people. Hard to give up a free handout to earn your own living after being supported by other hard working people.
The community is fighting hard to make this work but these people come up with the most awesome threats, like lawsuits because they are being threatened by being asked to do a few menial jobs. Some declare health issues but have no proof, they will sue because they can't sleep at night worrying about this....lol. It just never ends...

[Catty1]

So...people on welfare are the same as those in jail?

I dated someone who went to prison for a short time. He had tasks, and earned $7 an hour to do them. These went towards paying off his fine, which shortened his jail stay. Good incentive to work. Minimum security.

Crime? Forgetting to renew his car insurance the year before, and he was nabbed when coming back from overseas through Canada customs.

Joe's jail would have been totally pointless.

[Lady's Human]

Lack of car insurace isn't a jailable offense in the US, AFAIK, unless there are other issues involved.

Sheriff Joe's jail is a non-issue in that case.

[Catty1]

LH - I just got the impression that if someone goes to jail, most here think it should be Sheriff Joe's kind of jail. I am purporting that it is not appropriate much of the time.

Bearing in mind that there are always exceptions to every rule, I think that humane conditions and helping people to achieve a second chance ought to be the rule in prison.

[Lady's Human]

It should be. There are many crimes that shouldn't be jailable offenses, though.