About Prison Conditions (long)

**shepgirl** · 10-12-2008, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by Catty1

So...people on welfare are the same as those in jail?

I dated someone who went to prison for a short time. He had tasks, and earned $7 an hour to do them. These went towards paying off his fine, which shortened his jail stay. Good incentive to work. Minimum security.

Crime? Forgetting to renew his car insurance the year before, and he was nabbed when coming back from overseas through Canada customs.

Joe's jail would have been totally pointless.

Forgetting to renew your car insurance isn't a crime out here.

Some of the people on welfare here have committed fraud to collect welfare Catty...so yes, they should be doing jail time instead. Fraud is a crime punishable by law.
The reason they are not kicked off is because of some crooked lawyers, doctors who have no moral values, etc. Hard to bring these people to court when you know they have a list of charges they are willing to sue the legal system with if they are bothered.
We do have those that are truly in need of welfare and I am the first one to support this, not all are low lifes, not hard to weed them out and I would never dissalow them help knowing their true conditions.

**jennielynn1970** · 10-13-2008, 11:38 PM

Originally Posted by shepgirl

Forgetting to renew your car insurance isn't a crime out here.

No, but driving a car and not having insurance is. There's lots of people who do that.

In PA, if I don't renew my auto insurance, my insurance company will let the state know and I'll get a nice letter telling me to turn in my plate and not to drive my car. Same if my registration lapses, they'll let my auto insurance know. My auto insurance lapsed once, accidentally, and the hoops I had to jump through to get everything lined up again with the state was mind blowing. Will never goof on that one again!

**shepgirl** · 10-14-2008, 08:44 AM

This is a crime here also but not one to land you in jail unless you keep repeating it. My insurance is one thing I would never dare forget to pay...an accident could be way more costly than the premium....

**Twisterdog** · 10-17-2008, 10:08 PM

I believe people who are in prison should have basic human needs met. Healthy food, clean water, clothes, shelter, sanitation. I do not think it is right to subject an inmate to rotten food or lethal temperature extremes.

IMO, if we (as tax payers and voters) cannot treat another human being with basic survival rights, then are we not also commiting the crime of abuse and neglect? Does that not make us no better then the criminals we are in charge of incarcerating?

However, I do not believe prisoners should live in spa-like conditions. If prison offers one more comforts than one had on the outside, does that not remove a lot of the motivation to reform oneself?

Speaking for me personally, I believe in the death penalty. I believe that certain people who commit truly heinous crimes should be put to death. I do not believe that someone who tortured, raped and murdered dozens of people deserves to live.

**jennielynn1970** · 10-17-2008, 10:29 PM

Our county jail here in Allentown, Lehigh County Prison, was rebuilt/remodeled a few years back. It's amazing looking from the outside. It also has a reputed gorgeous basketball court and workout area. I knew of guys who were friends of the workers in there who went in there to work out. Gotta love it.

**shepgirl** · 10-18-2008, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by jenn_librarian

Our county jail here in Allentown, Lehigh County Prison, was rebuilt/remodeled a few years back. It's amazing looking from the outside. It also has a reputed gorgeous basketball court and workout area. I knew of guys who were friends of the workers in there who went in there to work out. Gotta love it.

Sounds just like the jails out here. Maybe if conditions weren't so luxurious there would be less crime. Some inmates who have finished their term actually don't want out since they know they won't get as much as they did inside these jails...they might have to actually work to earn a living and enjoy the luxuries...heaven forbid they should work to earn their own way.

**RICHARD** · 10-19-2008, 12:31 PM

Here is an honest to god question about some of the posts on this thread.

What is so "luxurious" about living in a concrete box about 12x8 feet?
About having to shower with 10,20,30 people at a time?
About eating some shiat on a shingle that you have no control over?
Worrying about someone taking a sharp toothbrush and taking out -insert
body part here-?
About not being able to talk walk, go to the fridge at night or dressing up the way you want to, when you want to?
Next time you go to a gym think about having to share the equipment with some nasty inmate, or getting your head dented with a dumbbell?

If you think that living under those conditions is wonderful, People in the United States are far more well off than we want to admit.