McCain/Palin ???

**moosmom** · 09-02-2008, 07:48 PM

but at least Palin has some executive experience.

Ya mean she can take dictation???

Just kidding. I couldn't resist.

It seems every election has it's share of "skeletons" that seem to appear from nowhere. Politicians should expect to be under the microscope when running for office.

People in glass houses shouldn't throw naked parties!

**Puckstop31** · 09-02-2008, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by pomtzu

The way I see it - we have both. Do you really think Palin has the ability and experience to keep it that way if she were put in the position where she had to?

Pam, this is for you too.

OK, I guess I can best answer this question by giving you a little blurb about me and what I really believe in. Like a 50,000 ft level look.

I am a Libertarian at my core. But not as extreme as many people who are also Libertarians. I really believe in the American people. Deep down, I do not really think the majority of us are the kind of people who sit around and wait for others to do things for us. When push comes to shove, WE make it happen. Thus, for We The People to truly excel, we need the government to get OUT of our way, not in it more. Now, yes it is true that in many ways, this kind of thinking is harsh. Because in "my" world, when you buy a house that is out of your means and get evicted... Tough. Did not plan properly for your retirement and are broke? Tough! Hope your family or community can help you. Do not take this to mean I do not have compassion, because I do. I just KNOW at my core, that we are better than any of the nonsense FORCED on us by a government that is corrupt to its core and power MAD.

Thus, the primary reason I really like Sarah Palin. She is SO far outside the beltway. Also, I know that there is a grand difference between knowledge and wisdom. I feel that Palin is wise. Sure, she is not perfect, but who is? Also, I believe she is humble enough to realize that the most important part of being POTUS is surrounding yourself with good people. Good people who really will tell her she is wrong. Frankly, this is my number one issue with Obama. (Numbers two and three come in a sec....LOL) He just comes off as a know it all. "I can do this.... I will do that...." That is change? More promises that he cannot even come close to delivering, save from taxing us into submission?

Next, grouped in with my 3 main issues is the issue of the 2nd Amendment. The Amendment that protects all our other rights. It does not grant a right, it affirms a God given right. The right for ME to protect myself and my family from tyranny... Be that it comes from Washington DC or a home intruder. Clearly, Barack Obama is in no way a friend of the 2nd Amendment. Of course, he pays lip service to it, but his voting record is crystal clear. Sure, he is not so stupid as to go for an outright ban, he will just try to make it next to impossible, to buy firearms or ammunition. Wanna see the next revolution in the USA? Do that. Seriously. There are tens of millions of people who will NOT let that happen. Serious people who are not the "gun nuts" you think of. Sarah Palin is a lifetime NRA member. Nuff said.

And finally, the economy. Barack Obama is an out right marxist. What else to you call a proposal to TAKE money from oil companies and give it to people? If windfall profits were truly his issue, why not Google? Why not Microsoft? Why not AL GORE? All the things he proposes are going to cost a truckload of money. Where does it come from? His plan calls for increasing taxes on companies and cutting "middle class" taxes. That is not a tax cut, that is just swapping numbers around. Do you think that those tax increases will not find their way into the price of products? The Nanny State, telling you serfs how to live. Talk about fascism....

So yes, I really believe Sarah Palin has what it takes to be a great leader. She is not perfect, but she is a REAL change in the direction I want to see the country go.

I'll add, just for the record, I oppose her on the issues of abortion and on her stance on same sex issues. We can get into that if you like. LOL I'm here all week, try the fish.

**Puckstop31** · 09-02-2008, 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by moosmom

Ya mean she can take dictation???

Just kidding. I couldn't resist.

It seems every election has it's share of "skeletons" that seem to appear from nowhere. Politicians should expect to be under the microscope when running for office.

People in glass houses shouldn't throw naked parties!

LOL, true enough.

As for your first sentence... Being Govenor of a state is not executive experience?

But you say the rest like she is whining about the coverage. I have not seen anything that has her complaining. Pundits, sure, but her directly? No. She seems like a tough woman, so I wish they would let her respond. I'd love to see what she has to say. Me thinks it would be the verbal version of flipping the bird. LOL

If you have something that has her complaing about the coverage directly, please share. I'd truly like to see it.

**Grace** · 09-02-2008, 09:34 PM

Well, Puckstop, if I didn’t know better, I would think you are the man I married.

He is also a Libertarian. The best Presidential candidate he ever voted for was Harry Browne.

He says the current occupants of the White House should be tried for war crimes. One reason he does not tolerate McCain is McCain-Feingold. He agrees with your assessment of Obama. Unlike you though, he doesn’t think much of Palin because she is too socially conservative, and according to articles he’s read, her management style is to bully and demand political loyalty – sort of what we’ve had for far too many years. And she is running with McCain.

Douglas is a staunch 2nd Amendment supporter, another lifetime NRA member.

**Edwina's Secretary** · 09-02-2008, 09:38 PM

I agree that Palin's children (or any other candidates' children) should not be a factor in the election.

And, if it is true that parents cannot be held accountable for the actions of their teenage children, I assume we will not hear anything about Palin's son joining the military.

**Puckstop31** · 09-02-2008, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by Grace

Well, Puckstop, if I didn’t know better, I would think you are the man I married.

He is also a Libertarian. The best Presidential candidate he ever voted for was Harry Browne.

He says the current occupants of the White House should be tried for war crimes. One reason he does not tolerate McCain is McCain-Feingold. He agrees with your assessment of Obama. Unlike you though, he doesn’t think much of Palin because she is too socially conservative, and according to articles he’s read, her management style is to bully and demand political loyalty – sort of what we’ve had for far too many years. And she is running with McCain.

Douglas is a staunch 2nd Amendment supporter, another lifetime NRA member.

Well, well... LOL

I stop short of war crimes. Because as far as I know, it is not YET a crime to be stupid. You will get no arguement from me that the conflict was, especially in the inital aftermath, HORRIBLY mismanaged. Criminially so? Not so sure. Understand that I have real life, face to face exposure to the Islamic Extremeist. They are a threat. But this threat could have been dealt with in MUCH better ways.

Like I said, I am not 100% TOTAL hard core Libertarian. Mainly because I am a man of the Christian faith and I believe we need a differnt foreign policy than from what the Libertarians believe in.

A bully? I bet MEN wrote that. LOL

But like I said, she is not perfect, but INHO, much better than any other options.

Then, yes, she is running with McBush. Thats a tough one to swallow, but a little easier than the socialism of Obama.

Simply put, IMHO, she is the least of the evils and has the outside the beltway upside. Will it stop the nearly inevitable (again, IMHO) revolution? Doubtful. But ya never know.

I applaude him for his lifetime NRA membership. I am one also, I truly believe in the Right to Keep and Bear Arms and the right for ALL humans to have the right to defend themselves from tyranny, no matter what form it takes.

**Puckstop31** · 09-02-2008, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary

I agree that Palin's children (or any other candidates' children) should not be a factor in the election.

And, if it is true that parents cannot be held accountable for the actions of their teenage children, I assume we will not hear anything about Palin's son joining the military.

I agree.

With the caveat that she will easily be able to deflect the concept of, "you would not do this if YOUR son was in the military." Assuming she would be inthe position to take some sort of action.

**Puckstop31** · 09-02-2008, 10:03 PM

A article I found about the Palin "wolf cub" issue.

http://www.adn.com/wildlife/story/491012.html

Thoughts?

**sparks19** · 09-02-2008, 10:12 PM

Nope... I don't think she should get credit for her son joining the military. He should receive the credit for that. My point about her being held responsible for her daughter getting pregnant was that I doubt she was egging her on and pushing for this to happen. I doubt she said "Come on honey... go and have sex and get pregnant. it's the right thing to do" I doubt it.

it was only ten years ago that I was that age and as much as some people would like to believe parents have total control.... at that age they don't. there is nothing a parent can do to stop their son or daughter from having sex if that is something the teen wants to do. short of chaining her to the house. We don't know that she didn't teach her daughter how to protect herself. People who use protection get pregnant all the time. it happens. Is it ideal? Nope.

the daughter and the boyfriend are stepping up to the responsibility. and their family is supporting them. What more could anyone want? the daughter made a mistake and she is prepared to take responsibility for it. I think that speaks volumes.

If palin had have thrown her daughter out and disowned her for getting pregnant... now THAT I would have a problem with. they are your children for better or for worse.

Like my Aunt Nancy says "Kids... sometimes all you can do is stand beside them and support them"

**Puckstop31** · 09-02-2008, 10:15 PM

One more...

http://wcbstv.com/campaign08/joe.lie....2.808783.html

"Punish" him for speaking his mind? Party is more important than policy? Party is more important that what you believe?

*Yeah, yeah... The R's do the same thing. That is not my point. My point is this is an example of why we need NEW blood. People who are not yet corrupted by the Washington DC mindset. Yeah. McCain is one of those guys... But Palin is not.

**Suki Wingy** · 09-02-2008, 10:41 PM