McCain/Palin ???

[Lady's Human]

Again, Marigold, in her comments about creationism being taught in the classroom, it's clear that her point was not the it should be taught as part of the lesson, but that discussion should be allowed if it came up.

[sparks19]

Interesting... Basing people on the actions of their teenagers. If their kids were out murdering people... OK. That's over the top.

But how many of you can HONESTLY say that you never caused your parents any gray hairs? You NEVER did wrong? YOu NEVER made any mistakes a a child/young adult. should your parents pay today for your mistakes when learning to become an adult?

I am adult enough to admit that my mistakes when i was old enough to know better (not talking infant/toddler)were NOT my parents fault. My parents did their BEST to teach me right from wrong. I wasn't allowed to just roam the streets, have boys sleep over, do drugs... etc etc. And I suspect none of you were allowed to either. But I will bet everything I have that you have made mistakes. do you believe your parents should pay for that?

Perhaps you do... makes me sad. I take full responsibility for my mistakes as a teen... and now my mom and I are best friends. I can't WAIT to talk to her on the phone everyday. I weep because she is so far away from me and I can't see her whenever I want to. she did the best she could without chaining me to the house. And while some may have issues with me... she has done a darn good job. I don't have a criminal record, I never got sent to the principals office, my only ride home in a police car was when I was out riding my bike when I was 16 and I hurt myself and couldn't get to a phone or anything and it was just my luck that a cop came by and pulled over to help me. Officer Noel... I will never forget him and the help he offered me. YOu may not like my views but i am a good person and I try to spread that to others in my daily life... SO... should my parents be crucified because I made some mistakes? should yours?

I am willing to bet that your parents did the best they could to raise you and yet you still went out as a teen and did things that you KNEW you shouldn't do... even the "small" things. Sorry but at 17.... your parents can't hold you under lock and key. It's just foolish to believe otherwise. People make mistakes.

[Marigold2]

Not believe in Evolution? Why it's all around you. Every new rose bush, tomato, zinnia color, designer dog are all part of evolution. Weather man made or actually coming about on it's own it's all changing and evolving. We are taller now then 100 years ago. So we have evolved as well. Sometimes it's a seed being carried by a bird across the states and a new plant comes into being, having to adapt and adjust to a new climate. Evolution is a science, always changing, always growing as is our planet. Just look at how dogs and cats have changed because a human hand helped with breeding. Evolution you bet. All the millions of plants, birds, insects that evolved without us evening knowing. All the mystery in the ocean we can't understand, all these creatures evolved to their climates and conditions. Just as we have. Look at the pigmey people. Shorter, smaller because they don't have as much food as we do. We are not better then them, just different. They have adapted and evolved to survive that area.
Evolution also as far as I know does not start wars. It's a science. It is also not a moral issue unless you enter something like test tube babies into the mix.

As for teaching religon in school which one should we teach? Jewish, Budda, Hindu, Jevhovah Witness, Baptist, Lutheran? Should we eat meat on Friday?
Should we go by the Jewish calender? Not believe or teach that Jesus is our savior? When was the last time a Jewish person said to you "Hey you are praying to the wrong dude, he was just a carpenter and now I am going to make sure your child learns that in school"
Tell our children that giving blood to a dying child is a sin? Or do we go by the Catholic religon and not use birth control? So many options. Perhaps we should teach the Jewish religon on Friday, Catholic on Thursday, Budda on Monday.
Seperation of church and state is one of the most important and sane things this country stands for. We need to keep our moral views out of our neighbors lives.
School is not a place for any religon, it's a place to learn, grow and accept others regardless of what they believe at home. Otherwise we become another Iraq were we are told what to believe, how to live, how to pray.
This is America and no one has the right to tell any one how to pray. Nor if sex before marriage is correct, or how many kids to have (as long as you can afford them hopefully) or not to give blood.
Do I believe in God, oh yes, do I pray everyday oh yes. I also pray that others have that freedom and that it is not in vain to all those that died giving it to us.
Loving God, praying should never be something that is forced on anyone, we should not be told who to pray to, when, where or how. No how to live our lives, as long as we don't hurt others, what we do in our homes, our bedrooms, is no ones business.

Well what about those who don't believe in Evolution.

should THAT be taught?

Some people don't believe in it and there is no scientific PROOF that that's what happened. but THAT seems to be OK.

that seems to be OK with those who don't believe in any faith or religion yet it doesn't matter how it affects those who DP believe in faith or religion. there is no PROOF... DON'T teach it... PERIOD. Any mention of evolution could be JUST as offensive to the faint of heart as creationism.

I'm sick of the God hating just becasue some don't believe in it... but if families don't want evolution taught they are to go ELSEWHERE to learn.

[Bonny]

but then not everyone. The other day I heard a cute little joke about God & why he/she decided to make humans he was bored watching the apes & monkeys. He/she decided to create more entertaining speices.

[Miss Z]

In my schooling system, evolution is taught in biology.

All the six main religions are learned about in religious studies.

In BOTH subjects, the beliefs of theists and atheists are discussed. No shoving down throats, no abhorring one or the other.

Should this not be the way forward in ALL schools?

[moosmom]

Palin being named McCain's running mate has made my decision who I'm voting for easy.

Palin has put a bounty of $150/head in the hunting of wolves in Alaska. She has also okayed the drilling of oil in her neck of the woods. She is a diehard NRA member (nothing wrong with that).

Our country is in total disarray because of global warming. The icebergs are melting fast and furiously causing a domino affect with the animals whose lives depend on those icebergs. The forests that the animals live are being ripped apart.

What will a woman with 5 children do if, God forbid, something happens to McCain who is 72 is, which I doubt, elected into office? Will she be able to run this country in his absence??? Don't think so. She doesn't have the experience.

VOTE OBAMA!!!!

[Puckstop31]

For starters, my apologies to all for my off the hook posts earlier in this thread. I let my passion get the best of me.

Palin has put a bounty of $150/head in the hunting of wolves in Alaska.

I gotta admit this one makes me scratch my head a little. But I want to know more than just the side of the story we have been told.

She has also okayed the drilling of oil in her neck of the woods.

So drilling on about 1000 acres of the extreme north slope, a barren wasteland, is a bad thing?

Our country is in total disarray because of global warming. The icebergs are melting fast and furiously causing a domino affect with the animals whose lives depend on those icebergs. The forests that the animals live are being ripped apart.

I first refer you to this article.

http://www.dailytech.com/Sun+Makes+H...ticle12823.htm

I sadly do not have it handy, but I saw an article that had some pretty strong evidence that linked global temperature to the suns activity. I mean, that just makes sense. This is not to say that we should not be good stewards of our planet. I support, both with my money and my time, the activities of several organizations that probably do more to protect our environment than you would want to believe. The two biggest ones are the NRA and the National Wild Turkey Federation.

But I digress...

Surely our environment needs some TLC, but I do not subscribe to the sensational ideas you put forth. "Total Disarray?"

Ice Melting?

http://www.randomjottings.net/archives/003023.html

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0110/p14s01-sten.html

http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=851

It seems the topic is still a matter of scientific debate.

FWIW, I pay a great deal of attention to the global warming debate. It matters to me because in the next year or so, my family is going to roll the dice and buy a sizeable farm in South Dakota. I am getting back to my roots and I am going to spend the rest of my days working the land. So this issue matters to me. Alot.

What will a woman with 5 children do if, God forbid, something happens to McCain who is 72 is, which I doubt, elected into office? Will she be able to run this country in his absence??? Don't think so. She doesn't have the experience.

Here is what I do not understand... This woman is everything the womens liberation types want all women to be. Yet, now she is being derided for it. Can one of you ladies explain how it is all of a sudden a BAD thing to be a working mother?

VOTE OBAMA!!!!

Because he is better than YOU! LOL

[Edwina's Secretary]

Perhaps I am not "with it" but isn't there some embarrassment involved in being a 17 year old unmarried and pregnant?

I am surprised that a mother would subject her daughter to the incredible scrutiny - late night tv show jokes and everything else that goes with it by being selected as a candidate for vice president. In this circumstance I would think you would want to protect your daughter from that.

(And before anyone gets all uppity about making jokes about the children a.) I agree but b.) there is reality. Was it Rush Limbaugh who make the joke that the Clintons had a dog in the White House and then put up a photo of Chelsea??)

[Puckstop31]

Perhaps I am not "with it" but isn't there some embarrassment involved in being a 17 year old unmarried and pregnant?

I am surprised that a mother would subject her daughter to the incredible scrutiny - late night tv show jokes and everything else that goes with it by being selected as a candidate for vice president. In this circumstance I would think you would want to protect your daughter from that.

Perhaps, and just perhaps as I am not a mind reader... But perhaps she did not want her daughter to live with the burden of knowing that her mother passed on the opportunity of a lifetime because of her. Perhaps her daughter having this child is a blessing to them and to her.

Thats the thing, we don't know. A crying shame that both sides of the aisle are playing it up in the press.

[Pam]

Perhaps I am not "with it" but isn't there some embarrassment involved in being a 17 year old unmarried and pregnant?

Aww c'mon Sara, even you know that isn't true. Back when I graduated high school (in 1964 ) we had two KNOWN pregnancies and who knows how many others went off somewhere to have their babies or to kill them. Even Obama took the high road on this, as I expected him too, by saying that his own mother was 18 when she had him. I am sure it was not convenient for her as a teen to have a bi-racial baby either back then. Think of the whole abortion situation that we have now. What if Obama's mother had chosen that route. Who would the Democrats have for a candidate now? Don't get me wrong - I think McCain really blew it with his selection but I applaud Palen's daughter for her decision to keep this baby!

[sparks19]

Perhaps I am not "with it" but isn't there some embarrassment involved in being a 17 year old unmarried and pregnant?

I am surprised that a mother would subject her daughter to the incredible scrutiny - late night tv show jokes and everything else that goes with it by being selected as a candidate for vice president. In this circumstance I would think you would want to protect your daughter from that.

(And before anyone gets all uppity about making jokes about the children a.) I agree but b.) there is reality. Was it Rush Limbaugh who make the joke that the Clintons had a dog in the White House and then put up a photo of Chelsea??)

To be honest... teen pregnancies are becoming more and more common (or at least aren't hidden from the world) and carry less stigma as time goes on. Not saying I agree with teen pregnancy. But it's definitely not like it used to be. many of these girls attend school right up until the birth and in a lot of places this is a common sight to see. For some odd reason... some teens actually strive to acheive this.

It's not an ideal situation... but nothing to be embarassed about IMO. this is not a time to be embarassed.. this is a time to step up and handle your responsibility no matter what anyone says.

[Edwina's Secretary]

We must have gone to different schools Pam! I remember one girl who got pregnant in high school and she "went away". It was very hush-hush.

I still would want to spare my daughter the embarrassment.

So, I'm sorry, I didn't know there is no embarrassment to being an unwed mother at 17! A different world indeed!

What's odd is when I read the articles about that school on the East Coast where there was allegedly an outbreak of young girls wanting to get pregnant -- it made such a fuss???

[caseysmom]

Obviously this is a bit of a scandal otherwise it wouldn't be all over the news even in this day and age. Especially when you have taken the moral high road. Do I think its anybodies business, heck no leave the kid alone.

[sparks19]

We must have gone to different schools Pam! I remember one girl who got pregnant in high school and she "went away". It was very hush-hush.

I still would want to spare my daughter the embarrassment.

So, I'm sorry, I didn't know there is no embarrassment to being an unwed mother at 17! A different world indeed!

it certainly is... we were just talking about this on another pet forum. How they wouldn't even show desi and Lucy sitting in bed as a married couple. My mom told me about how "Wake up little Susie" was banned from radio play because it implied that the girl and the guy spent the night together.

Now we have movies about teen pregnancy... bordering on comedies. songs talk about sex all the time, we have movies with full frontal nudity that are not considered pornography and it's not unusual to see teens caught in bed together on TV shows.

Very different world.

[Pam]

We must have gone to different schools Pam! I remember one girl who got pregnant in high school and she "went away". It was very hush-hush.

I still would want to spare my daughter the embarrassment.

So, I'm sorry, I didn't know there is no embarrassment to being an unwed mother at 17! A different world indeed!

Yes, one of the girls that got pregnant in my high school was one of my very best friends! It totally blew me away. She carried the baby almost to the end of the school year and I remember many mornings seeing her head off to the ladies room with morning sickness. It was a hard time back then, but not now at all. As far as sparing embarrassment within one's family - when you decide to run for office your life becomes an open book. You either take the heat or get out of the kitchen.