McCain/Palin ???

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Originally Posted by Puckstop31

A article I found about the Palin "wolf cub" issue.

http://www.adn.com/wildlife/story/491012.html

Thoughts?

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I'd like to know a few more statistics before I can make any decisions about the article. Grey wolves actually survive most of the year on rodents. In the past, hunters have actually depleted caribou numbers due to over hunting, and blamed it on wolves. I don't know where the numbers are today on caribou and wolves, and really anything.

I don't like to make any decisions or develop an opinion really until I know all I can know on a subject. I hate it when others jump up too.

I actually finished my application at University of Alaska at Fairbanks for Wildlife Biology, but never sent it in because I don't know anyone from that area and I've never been anywhere near there.

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Originally Posted by Puckstop31

I am a Libertarian at my core. But not as extreme as many people who are also Libertarians. I really believe in the American people. Deep down, I do not really think the majority of us are the kind of people who sit around and wait for others to do things for us. When push comes to shove, WE make it happen. Thus, for We The People to truly excel, we need the government to get OUT of our way, not in it more.

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Likewise. So am I.

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Originally Posted by Puckstop31

Next, grouped in with my 3 main issues is the issue of the 2nd Amendment. The Amendment that protects all our other rights. It does not grant a right, it affirms a God given right. The right for ME to protect myself and my family from tyranny...

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In the event of a home invasion, in FL, I can go to jail, protecting my cat's lives.

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Originally Posted by Puckstop31

And finally, the economy. Barack Obama is an out right marxist. What else to you call a proposal to TAKE money from oil companies and give it to people?

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It's called a seizure.
And Comrade Obama supports it.
I'd tell the oil companies to go ahead and blow themselves up before being seized.

Some people need to go ahead and read some Ayn Rand.

This is the candidate my husband would like to win -
Ron Paul

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Originally Posted by Puckstop31

Also, I believe she is humble enough to realize that the most important part of being POTUS is surrounding yourself with good people. Good people who really will tell her she is wrong.)

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Interesting concept, but who does she choose? From all that I have been hearing and reading about her, all of her admirerers seem to think she is the ONLY "non-corrupt, outside the beltway" politician! So she has to choose insiders which puts this idea back to square one. :eek:

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Originally Posted by Grace

This is the candidate my husband would like to win -
Ron Paul

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I'd vote for him, if it were not for his foreign policy. Get out of Iraq? Sure thing. Remove ALL of our forces from any overseas basing? Not so much. Sorry Ron, but this is the 21st century.

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Originally Posted by pomtzu

Interesting concept, but who does she choose? From all that I have been hearing and reading about her, all of her admirerers seem to think she is the ONLY "non-corrupt, outside the beltway" politician! So she has to choose insiders which puts this idea back to square one. :eek:

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LOL. I said GOOD people. They are out there. We just don't know them yet. Which to me, would strengthen the fact that they are good people. They want to stay out of the limelight.

She would not have to pick politicians either. In fact, I would hope she would not. A CLEAN sweep would be wonderful, eh?

Fear of the unknown is not a good reason to avoid taking a chance. The only way to overcome your fear is to face it head on and kicks its bum. LOL

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Originally Posted by Puckstop31

LOL. I said GOOD people. They are out there. We just don't know them yet. Which to me, would strengthen the fact that they are good people. They want to stay out of the limelight.

She would not have to pick politicians either. In fact, I would hope she would not. A CLEAN sweep would be wonderful, eh?

Fear of the unknown is not a good reason to avoid taking a chance. The only way to overcome your fear is to face it head on and kicks its bum. LOL

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A clean sweep would hardly be practical or possible unfortunately.

So she chooses "good unknowns". Untried, inexperienced, unqualified - just like she is. Isn't that the very reason why the majority of the people don't feel that she is ready for this appointment? I don't know about you, but I'm not willing to "take a chance" with my freedom and safety nor that of my children and grandchildren who will still be here long after I'm gone!!!

This is a vicious circle - I'm getting dizzy!!!!! :eek:

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Originally Posted by pomtzu

A clean sweep would hardly be practical or possible unfortunately.

So she chooses "good unknowns". Untried, inexperienced, unqualified - just like she is. Isn't that the very reason why the majority of the people don't feel that she is ready for this appointment? I don't know about you, but I'm not willing to "take a chance" with my freedom and safety nor that of my children and grandchildren who will still be here long after I'm gone!!!

This is a vicious circle - I'm getting dizzy!!!!! :eek:

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Untried? Inexperienced? How do you know? Just because a person does not have GOVERNMENT experience does not mean they are not unqualified.

Indeed, the founders never intended for there to be career politicians.

What would you define as qualified? Just curious.

As for taking a chance with your freedom and safety... You are only promised freedom here, not safety. And from what I read in this thread, I think we all have a varying definition of what freedom is. Further, what does the government have to do with your safety? Physical and Fiscal security should be the responsibility of the individual. IMHO, of course.

An interesting read.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1220...n_commentaries

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Originally Posted by Puckstop31

Further, what does the government have to do with your safety?

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I am SHOCKED that you said that!!!!! If that's the case, then why the h3ll are troops in Iraq and dying over there every day?? Why did they get sent there in the first place? Have you forgotten about 911 already? Didn't the thousands of people that died a horrific death think that they were "safe"? Isn't it the aim of our government to protect this country and those that live here from any invasion by those out to destroy our freedom and safety? And 911 is only a single example! How many others are there??? - I couldn't even begin to count them! :mad::mad::mad:

Qualified?? - "competent and fitted as by training or experience". Plain and simple.

I'm sure John McCain is basically a nice person; as is Sarah Palin.

The big problem I have with this ticket - they are endorsed by the current occupant of the White House. That is enough to drive me, and many of my friends, in another direction - any direction.

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Originally Posted by Grace

This is the candidate my husband would like to win -
Ron Paul

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Most of the people in my family supported Ron Paul and I liked a lot of what he said. I just received this link from my brother, probably RP's biggest supporter. It's a shame that he has had to hold his own convention as opposed to having a say at the Republican Convention.

http://news.aol.com/elections/conven...596x1200508518

I have been reading with interest since this post started. Thank you for the insight and entertainment.

I've decided that I love my pets the most. :) And I am a Republlican. I try to be open minded, but when it comes down to it, I am a Republican. Period. I know some of you are not surprised by that statement. LOL!!! :o I will always vote for the person, not the party. I even voted for Ernest Hollings in one SC Senate Race, so don't give up on me.

In the meantime, I will enjoy watching how this plays out. Economiically, I was probably more prosperous in my business life when Bill Clinton was in office than any other time in my adult life, up until this year. The Democrats have always been more favorable towards small business, especially the Small Business Administration, which is where I make my living, than Republicans. We'll see how this all pans out. I am keeping an open mind, but I do know that at heart, where my values are concentrated, I am a Republican.

Have fun and play nice. :)

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I am SHOCKED that you said that!!!!! If that's the case, then why the h3ll are troops in Iraq and dying over there every day?? Why did they get sent there in the first place? Have you forgotten about 911 already? Didn't the thousands of people that died a horrific death think that they were "safe"? Isn't it the aim of our government to protect this country and those that live here from any invasion by those out to destroy our freedom and safety? And 911 is only a single example! How many others are there??? - I couldn't even begin to count them! :mad::mad::mad:

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I misunderstood you, sorry. On that scale, certainly the government has a role. I thought your were talking about individual personal safety.

I have more to add, but I am short on time. :)

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Qualified?? - "competent and fitted as by training or experience". Plain and simple.

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That is still a relative thing. Can you be specific as to what a person must have/done/be for them to be qualified in your eyes?

I've only skimmed through this thread, so be patient if I'm repeating someone. I think the VP search team was told to find a very conservative evolutionist Christian. Also, doesn't hurt if there are some ovarys included.


First, yes, shades of Eagleton, as long as McCain doesn't back her "1000%", she might have a chance.:eek:

Second, sorry Murphy Brown, but it appears that Dan Quayle was right afterall. :(

If McCain keeps her through September I'll be surprised.

One of my favorite parts so far (this stuff is great, you couldn't make it up if you wrote for Northern Exposure), is with the abuse of power scandel (which isn't at all funny btw) which includes the allegations about the ex-brother in law which include "illegally shooting a moose".

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Originally Posted by Puckstop31

I misunderstood you, sorry. On that scale, certainly the government has a role. I thought your were talking about individual personal safety.

I have more to add, but I am short on time. :)



That is still a relative thing. Can you be specific as to what a person must have/done/be for them to be qualified in your eyes?

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I don't know why you would think I was referring to my own personal safety, since this whole topic has been government - it's potential leaders - their ability/inability to govern, etc. I was making reference to the nation as a whole. I felt that was the issue - not me, me, and me.

Qualified? - I suppose I could go on and on, but I'm sure you're looking for specifics to pick apart and misconstrue. It's not my desire to make this thread a debate between the two of us, and I'm sure no one else really wants that either.

Yeah - I think I know exactly what you're thinking, but please don't even go there. NRN (no response necessary)

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And I am no big fan of Obama either. I just happen to think that all things considered, he is the lesser of the 2 evils.

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Originally Posted by rosethecopycat

Some people need to go ahead and read some Ayn Rand.

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You know, It's not nice to suggest reading material without giving people a starting point.;)


The Fountainhead? Atlas Shrugged? We the Living?

I'll dig out my copies start my assignment.:)

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Originally Posted by RICHARD

You know, It's not nice to suggest reading material without giving people a starting point.;)


The Fountainhead? Atlas Shrugged? We the Living?

I'll dig out my copies start my assignment.:)

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Atlas Shrugged hits more of the topic points discussed here, but a better starting point is Fountainhead.

From Idiocracy to Ayn Rand, I'm there with you R.

Hubby had an interesting thought last night. He said McCain should have picked Colin Powell as his running mate. If McCain is looking to capture the female vote with SP maybe he could try and steal away some black votes from Obama. :p :rolleyes: Honestly, it is strange to even contemplate how these men come up with their selections. I am sure that Colin Powell has had enough of the political scene. Maybe he was asked and turn it down anyway.

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Originally Posted by Pam

Hubby had an interesting thought last night. He said McCain should have picked Colin Powell as his running mate. If McCain is looking to capture the female vote with SP maybe he could try and steal away some black votes from Obama. :p :rolleyes: Honestly, it is strange to even contemplate how these men come up with their selections. I am sure that Colin Powell has had enough of the political scene. Maybe he was asked and turn it down anyway.

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Better yet condoleeza rice I think she would have been a great pick.

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Originally Posted by pomtzu

I don't know why you would think I was referring to my own personal safety, since this whole topic has been government - it's potential leaders - their ability/inability to govern, etc. I was making reference to the nation as a whole. I felt that was the issue - not me, me, and me.

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I wrote the first responce in a hurry. Did not read it well or think it through. Sorry.

Palin - Little to no foreign policy experience. Bottom of ticket. But she will have good people around her. She will learn. Also, she has not said, at least that I have seen, anything about what her foreign policy might be like.

Obama - Little to no foreign policy experience. Top of ticket. But her will have some decent people around him. So he will learn. However, Obama HAS defined what some of his foreign policy might be like and it worries me a little. He plans to try to negotiate with countries like Iran. As long as Iran is ruled by people who prefer a system of government that is suited to the 8th century... His foreign policy just comes off as a little naive to me.

What is worse?

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Qualified? - I suppose I could go on and on, but I'm sure you're looking for specifics to pick apart and misconstrue. It's not my desire to make this thread a debate between the two of us, and I'm sure no one else really wants that either.

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I am sorry that I have made you feel this way. I really am not looking to pick apart or misconstrue anything you might have to say here.

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Yeah - I think I know exactly what you're thinking, but please don't even go there. NRN (no response necessary)

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And I am no big fan of Obama either. I just happen to think that all things considered, he is the lesser of the 2 evils.

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:D I think that what you were thinking I was thinking is wrong. (Say THAT 3 times fast, LOL)

The Puckstop31 that started this thread is gone. I made my apology for saying some boneheaded things earlier. FWIW, I am enjoying this back and forth with you and the others. This election is going to be an important one and it is good for We The People to talk about it.

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Originally Posted by caseysmom

Better yet condoleeza rice I think she would have been a great pick.

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I agree. Talk about foreign policy experience!!!

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Originally Posted by rosethecopycat

Atlas Shrugged hits more of the topic points discussed here, but a better starting point is Fountainhead.

From Idiocracy to Ayn Rand, I'm there with you R.

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After XX many years, the opening 'scene' of the FH sticks in my mind. I was at the old swimming hole in my mind.

I suspect the only reason you is with me is you like money, and I have electrolytes.

Did you know that Georgia is part of Florida?:o


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With all the supposition about who shoulda picked who to run with, it's interesting to see how we all think the 'also rans' would stack up with the candidates. I do think that there were many thoughts as to who would be the best VP pick but I think that the media, parties and voters are too hung up on
the "four more years of" idea.

I don't know if there is a Magic 8 ball, tarot cards or ouija board at work here.
We really can't tell what is going happen should either one be elected. The basic idea of an election is to promise the shiat out of your run, then go back on them when you hit the driveway and Rose Garden.


Way back when, was it the elder Bush?, made the promis of no new taxes.
"READ MY LIPS, NO NEW TAXES"
When ever I hear that phrase I grab my lips with my hands and move them around because there is no way that I can imagine anyone making a statement like that without some kind of external help. Of course, we can't know where those promises came from, he had his pants up.


Ergo,
When I hear any politico speak with his pants up or her skirt coveing their rear ends, I am not assured that they are telling me the truth.


Picking a president, VP or party is relatively easy.

Don't go by color, creed or what THEY believe. Measure it out by what you believe, what you want and what you hope for yourself, family and country.

Match them up and you have a winner.

Do I really care about who divorced who? Who's pregnant and which star supports who?

No, I do care about character and how they spin a story. If they come out sheepishly and say, "I screwed up..." Good. If they talk thru the seat of a 1,200 dollar pair of suit pants, I can't get behind them. You end up with a smell in the air that you just can't stand and they do not have the couth to excuse themselves. If you do not acknowledge things, they didn't happen.

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Like my Aunt Nancy says "Kids... sometimes all you can do is stand beside them and support them"

I like Aunt Nancy.:)



PS31,

About qualifications?

Here is the way that I look at the race.


I own a multi million dollar business. I have to hire a manager/president to run it.

Do I put a numbskull in to get OJT? Or do I settle for a numbskull that has a bit more life experience and I feel that I can trust?


The people of the U.S. have this idea regarding lesser evils, parties, four more years, charisma and believing promises from men and women who will lie to you and I to get a job.


Treat it like a job interview, after all we do own the 'company' and I'll be dipped if I will give the job, and my country, away.

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The Puckstop31 that started this thread is gone. I made my apology for saying some boneheaded things earlier. FWIW, I am enjoying this back and forth with you and the others. This election is going to be an important one and it is good for We The People to talk about it.

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It takes a big man to write that. I too owe you an apology. I think Gov. Palin has changed many minds tonight and you were one of the early ones to adopt a wait and see attitude. CNN said she "hit it out of the park" tonight and I have to agree. We'll have to see how this thing plays out. Never a dull moment with this election. ;)

I think too many people are concerned with electing the "lesser of two evils". That isn't how it should be!! We have the ability to write down anyone on the ballot, we don't HAVE to vote for Obama, or McCain, heck you could write in Mickey Mouse's name on the ballot if you wanted to! If you think it comes down to voting for the lesser of two evils, or voting for someone only because you don't want the other person in office, then look around at other politicians, who DO you agree with? Write them in, do something!

I personally am NOT a fan of Obama, and I'm really not a big fan of McCain either, but I really like Palin.

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Thanks Pam. Now, PM Edwinas Secretary and all the others who put me on their ignore list. Tell them to take me off so we can have honest discussion. LOL My passion gets the best of me at times.


I don't know if she hit it out of the park... But it was a stand up triple for sure. I only wish she would have told us more about her self and talked LESS about BO. Personally, if you watched this speech with an open mind, the issue of who is more experienced has been put to bed. Also, I need to dig a little more on BO's voting record. 130 "Present" votes while in the Illinois Legislature? Hmmmmmmm..... Can he really handle the "3am call" on his own??? What really qualifies him to lead? What has he lead? What is his definition of leadership?

I want to sleep on it and digest it a bit more... Can't wait to get back at it tomorrow.

G'night. LOL

I must say I really enjoyed listening to her speak.

I too wish it was less about Obama... the whole night not just her. I really liked the part when Rudy said about how it was unbelievable that her abilities as a mother and whether or not she would have time to take care of 5 children if she got the VP. NEVER have they EVER or WOULD they ever ask a man that. couldn't that be said about any candidate with children who aren't adults already? Seems a little biased and borderline sexist. She has a husband and I'm sure he's very capable of taking care of the children too. I know my husband can be totally trusted with our daughter and I would feel comfortable if him and I switched "jobs" and he became a stay at home dad and I went to work.

But I think I have TWO favourite parts. One is funny and the other serious. First of all I loved how she talked about how she said "no thank you" to congress when they wanted to fund the bridge building and said that if they wanted that bridge they would build it themselves. I am REALLY on board with "the American people can do it without government" idea. the funny one... I loved the hockey mom joke lol. "What's the difference between a hockey mom and a pitbull? Lipstick" LOL wonderful and very true. I am not a hockey mom... YET. but I am a hockey aunt, a hockey sister, a hockey wife and just an all around hockey fan and THAT is true lol. We are sweet and cuddly most of the time... but mess with one of our own and you are dead meat LOL.

I normally stay outta the dog house but in order to educate myself I read this thread in its entireity. I'm not sure I'm more educated or not.
I think that its going to be a tough call.
I'm not entirely sure some areas of this country are ready to welcome an African American man (qualified or not) as President. Those same areas of the country probably aren't ready to see a woman as VP either.
Her family's decisions and life choices just like the other canidates shouldn't be brought to the table. There isn't a parent of a teenager out there that agrees with all of the decisions their kids make. There are several parents on this board alone that I can name that would DISagree with their kids decisions. Mrs. Palin is no different.
A lot of areas I agree with her - a lot I don't - just like everyone else - there isn't one candidate that I would agree with completely I'm sure. But I'm sure a LOT of people are going to relate to Mrs. Palin with a child in Iraq, a pregnant teenager and a baby with Down's Syndrome. right or wrong - I think that is going to be the way it is.

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You people from other countries want to know why some people say to "fear" this woman? If the U.S. is how people define freedom, I'm moving to Cuba. The U.S. is the land where hate crimes are seen as a normal part of daily living and your side winning in each issue can mean the difference between whether or not you can sleep safely at night. Fear is a big part of why some people vote. Sometimes I feel like the religious wars in the middle east are more sedate and peaceful than the political wars in the U.S.

P.S., Note how I don't call the United States by the term "America". This is not America, America covers everything from Canada down to Argentina. Somewhere along the years the people of the U.S. lost their brain power and came to think of our country exclusively as "America". Everytime I hear somebody talk about doing something bad about illegals from Mexico and then in the same breath they say the phrase "God bless America" it makes me sick to think how idiotic they sound. Using the term America to denote the U.S. makes us sound like a bunch of uneducated morons.

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Just wondered if you'd packed your bags yet b/c with all the people that are swamping/swarming into this country illegally, I bet someone would LOVE to have YOUR spot.

Shai,

OF course you got something out of this thread.

It makes you want to find out more about the election.

I had to laugh about the ideas where people won't vote for XXXXX because they DO/DON'T --------

When we pick friend, GF or BF we are more than likely to forgive the fact that they snore, don't dance, don't pull down the toilet seat, hog the remote, gossip, drive too fast or ????????

We are so much more tolerant about someone we live/associate with, but we get to be so intolerant about some sap that will never ever come to your house and ask you, "What's the matter, friend?"


I like the fact that people say, "I'll vote for the lesser of two evils" -Ever try to look at what makes a person shine? I like the fact that BO is a trailblazer for the Dems. It takes a concerted effort to run for President. After that, when I scratch his surface? Nope, He doesn't show me anything. His pomposity and slickness make me wonder about who he really is. His wife gives me the heebee jeebies-talk about hard looking woman/eyes. She's a career hardarse. THat is a soul-less vessel right there. BO does have the gift of gab.

But I don't read no goobledy-gook, Boyee!!!!

I am sorry, but I can't support anyone that I can't believe in.


JM? He's like the old uncle that lives down the street. You know he's related to you and he fought in a war and then?????? You kinda know about what he is about because he's been there so long you can ignore him.

The lesser of two evils? Probably, but he's an evil you know and know where he lives!

Keep thinking and don't believe anything you see.

Feel it and know what it does.

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When we pick friend, GF or BF we are more than likely to forgive the fact that they snore, don't dance, don't pull down the toilet seat, hog the remote, gossip, drive too fast or ????????

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LOL! Richard you take this thread in many directions and I just had to tell you that this comment hit very close to home. My hubby does all of the above except gossip. Do you have wires hidden in my house? :D:D

Staci, I am glad you joined in the discussion. You make many good points as most of the people in this thread have. Just ignore the ones that are rude. I think that is why this thread has remained so civil and interesting. It's going to be a wild ride folks. 60+ days and counting! :)

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Originally Posted by Puckstop31

I wrote the first responce in a hurry. Did not read it well or think it through. Sorry.



The Puckstop31 that started this thread is gone. I made my apology for saying some boneheaded things earlier. FWIW, I am enjoying this back and forth with you and the others. This election is going to be an important one and it is good for We The People to talk about it.

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Thank you, but an apology wasn't expected or necessary. Afterall - this is the Dog House! I guess maybe you're not as big a jerk as I thought you were afterall!!! :D:D LOL

It's just that you struck a nerve on the issue of government and security, and of course 9/11 is a prime example. The images of that day are burned forever in my mind and I'll never be able to get rid of them. I pray that no one will ever have to experience anything like that again.

As to those that pointed out our liberty to "write in" a candidate rather than choose the lesser of 2 evils - that's like flushing good money down the toilet - IMO of course. I hardly think my write in for Kinky Friedman will change the overall outcome of the election!!! :(

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A lot of areas I agree with her - a lot I don't - just like everyone else - there isn't one candidate that I would agree with completely I'm sure. But I'm sure a LOT of people are going to relate to Mrs. Palin with a child in Iraq, a pregnant teenager and a baby with Down's Syndrome. right or wrong - I think that is going to be the way it is.

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Sen Biden's son Beau is a Captain in the Delaware National Guard and
his unit has been called up. He leaves for Iraq in October. I'm pretty sure
Biden could make a big deal out of this by speaking publicly about his son
and Military service, but he doesn't.

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Originally Posted by lizbud

Sen Biden's son Beau is a Captain in the Delaware National Guard and
his unit has been called up. He leaves for Iraq in October. I'm pretty sure
Biden could make a big deal out of this by speaking publicly about his son
and Military service, but he doesn't.

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From what I've seen - and my experience/exposure is limited. I haven't watched any of the debates, Gov. Palin isn't making a big deal out of it either. Its the bane of our existence the media.

I am not politically passionate about anything, which is why I usually stay out of the dog house, b/c I can't contribute much. But the one thing that makes my blood boil, is when people (including people here) especially celebs like Alec Baldwin etc say, like they did the last election, if Bush got President again, they were moving to Canada or TimBukTu. And shock of life, they haven't gone anywhere, imagine that. B/c if they move to another country no one gives a rat's arse about WHO they are and they can't throw around their name along with their political aspirations.
blech - leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

IF we elect someone soley on their personal life and whether or not they have a teenage pregnant daughter, then we get what we deserve. (btw - my mom is a hockey mom of five kids, and thankfully she is nothing like this woman)

No matter your politics, history is being made, making this a very exciting election. McCain's selection of a woman was a brilliantly played chess move - I just wish he had found a different woman, and not someone who comes with her own special prosecutor.

Her politics disturb me. Creationism belongs in the church and not in the schools (unless someone wants to teach a course in comparative religions and discuss several creation theories and myths).

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Originally Posted by Pam

LOL! Richard you take this thread in many directions and I just had to tell you that this comment hit very close to home. My hubby does all of the above except gossip. Do you have wires hidden in my house? :D:D

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OH, you are ratting out you hubby for his foibles and WHICH anniversary is coming up?;)


BTW, it's a camera and I won't tell you what he does when you are out of the room.:rolleyes:;)

For me it's 'good dicussion' time. When I'd get stuck in a problem or friendly arguement I always tried to put it into a simple frame of reference.

It softens the passion in the idea and makes you realize that it's the same situation, without the harsh points.


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Two men walked into the bathroom. As the first one approached the urinal he noticed a five dollar bill at the bottom, he stopped and reached for his wallet.

The second man asked him what he was doing. The first one pointed and said, "Look! There's a fiver in the urinal!" with that,he reached into the wallet, pulled out a 20 and threw it down next to the other bill.

He squatted down and pulled both from the water at the bottom of the fixture.

The second man recoiled in horror and said, "Why did you do THAT?"

The first man, holding the wet bills by the corner answered, "Do you think I'd stick my hand down there for just a five dollar bill?"

You can put money into the toilet, just don't pull the handle?:confused:

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Biden is a very modest man.

I don't think that he'll mention his time in the service. Patriots never brag.

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Sen Biden's son Beau is a Captain in the Delaware National Guard and
his unit has been called up. He leaves for Iraq in October. I'm pretty sure
Biden could make a big deal out of this by speaking publicly about his son
and Military service, but he doesn't.

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It has been mentioned and even his son mentioned it at the Democratic Convention when he said he will be away at the time of the election and went on to explain. I think anyone heading to war is to be commended and it doesn't bother me if they mention it. God bless the troops - ALL of them! I think anyone who watched Biden's speech saw that he and his family are very close and his son is one special man. ;) Let's hope that ALL of our people can come home very soon and stop counting how many times military service is mentioned.

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Originally Posted by Pam

It has been mentioned and even his son mentioned it at the Democratic Convention when he said he will be away at the time of the election and went on to explain. I think anyone heading to war is to be commended and it doesn't bother me if they mention it. God bless the troops - ALL of them! I think anyone who watched Biden's speech saw that he and his family are very close and his son is one special man. ;) Let's hope that ALL of our people can come home very soon and stop counting how many times military service is mentioned.

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well said!

Before I heard her speak, I was one of many people going, McCain picked who? I was hoping he would have chosen Mitt Romney. I work in a union-organized office where there are a lot of Obama fans. I'm still not sure who to vote for. McCain was looking a little old last night. Palin's point about Obama having written two memoirs, but no major legislation is an interesting one. He hasn't been in the Senate that long and our other senator (Durbin, also a Democrat) has some long coat tails for Obama to latch on to. I just want someone who can get us out of Iraq quickly and without a lot more young soldiers dying or being injured, figure out how to get us off of foreign oil, and improve health care.

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Originally Posted by cassiesmom

I just want someone who can get us out of Iraq quickly and without a lot more young soldiers dying or being injured, figure out how to get us off of foreign oil, and improve health care.

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AMEN! That's exactly what I would like to see.....but who will get that done? I'm honestly not sure, not at all.......

I am enjoying Cindy's speech very much I like her better than Sarah.