McCain/Palin ???

[Puckstop31]

Better yet condoleeza rice I think she would have been a great pick.

I agree. Talk about foreign policy experience!!!

[RICHARD]

Atlas Shrugged hits more of the topic points discussed here, but a better starting point is Fountainhead.

From Idiocracy to Ayn Rand, I'm there with you R.

After XX many years, the opening 'scene' of the FH sticks in my mind. I was at the old swimming hole in my mind.

I suspect the only reason you is with me is you like money, and I have electrolytes.

Did you know that Georgia is part of Florida?


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With all the supposition about who shoulda picked who to run with, it's interesting to see how we all think the 'also rans' would stack up with the candidates. I do think that there were many thoughts as to who would be the best VP pick but I think that the media, parties and voters are too hung up on
the "four more years of" idea.

I don't know if there is a Magic 8 ball, tarot cards or ouija board at work here.
We really can't tell what is going happen should either one be elected. The basic idea of an election is to promise the shiat out of your run, then go back on them when you hit the driveway and Rose Garden.


Way back when, was it the elder Bush?, made the promis of no new taxes.
"READ MY LIPS, NO NEW TAXES"
When ever I hear that phrase I grab my lips with my hands and move them around because there is no way that I can imagine anyone making a statement like that without some kind of external help. Of course, we can't know where those promises came from, he had his pants up.


Ergo,
When I hear any politico speak with his pants up or her skirt coveing their rear ends, I am not assured that they are telling me the truth.


Picking a president, VP or party is relatively easy.

Don't go by color, creed or what THEY believe. Measure it out by what you believe, what you want and what you hope for yourself, family and country.

Match them up and you have a winner.

Do I really care about who divorced who? Who's pregnant and which star supports who?

No, I do care about character and how they spin a story. If they come out sheepishly and say, "I screwed up..." Good. If they talk thru the seat of a 1,200 dollar pair of suit pants, I can't get behind them. You end up with a smell in the air that you just can't stand and they do not have the couth to excuse themselves. If you do not acknowledge things, they didn't happen.

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Like my Aunt Nancy says "Kids... sometimes all you can do is stand beside them and support them"

I like Aunt Nancy.



PS31,

About qualifications?

Here is the way that I look at the race.


I own a multi million dollar business. I have to hire a manager/president to run it.

Do I put a numbskull in to get OJT? Or do I settle for a numbskull that has a bit more life experience and I feel that I can trust?


The people of the U.S. have this idea regarding lesser evils, parties, four more years, charisma and believing promises from men and women who will lie to you and I to get a job.


Treat it like a job interview, after all we do own the 'company' and I'll be dipped if I will give the job, and my country, away.

[Pam]

The Puckstop31 that started this thread is gone. I made my apology for saying some boneheaded things earlier. FWIW, I am enjoying this back and forth with you and the others. This election is going to be an important one and it is good for We The People to talk about it.

It takes a big man to write that. I too owe you an apology. I think Gov. Palin has changed many minds tonight and you were one of the early ones to adopt a wait and see attitude. CNN said she "hit it out of the park" tonight and I have to agree. We'll have to see how this thing plays out. Never a dull moment with this election.

[Jessika]

I think too many people are concerned with electing the "lesser of two evils". That isn't how it should be!! We have the ability to write down anyone on the ballot, we don't HAVE to vote for Obama, or McCain, heck you could write in Mickey Mouse's name on the ballot if you wanted to! If you think it comes down to voting for the lesser of two evils, or voting for someone only because you don't want the other person in office, then look around at other politicians, who DO you agree with? Write them in, do something!

I personally am NOT a fan of Obama, and I'm really not a big fan of McCain either, but I really like Palin.

[Puckstop31]

Thanks Pam. Now, PM Edwinas Secretary and all the others who put me on their ignore list. Tell them to take me off so we can have honest discussion. LOL My passion gets the best of me at times.


I don't know if she hit it out of the park... But it was a stand up triple for sure. I only wish she would have told us more about her self and talked LESS about BO. Personally, if you watched this speech with an open mind, the issue of who is more experienced has been put to bed. Also, I need to dig a little more on BO's voting record. 130 "Present" votes while in the Illinois Legislature? Hmmmmmmm..... Can he really handle the "3am call" on his own??? What really qualifies him to lead? What has he lead? What is his definition of leadership?

I want to sleep on it and digest it a bit more... Can't wait to get back at it tomorrow.

G'night. LOL

[sparks19]

I must say I really enjoyed listening to her speak.

I too wish it was less about Obama... the whole night not just her. I really liked the part when Rudy said about how it was unbelievable that her abilities as a mother and whether or not she would have time to take care of 5 children if she got the VP. NEVER have they EVER or WOULD they ever ask a man that. couldn't that be said about any candidate with children who aren't adults already? Seems a little biased and borderline sexist. She has a husband and I'm sure he's very capable of taking care of the children too. I know my husband can be totally trusted with our daughter and I would feel comfortable if him and I switched "jobs" and he became a stay at home dad and I went to work.

But I think I have TWO favourite parts. One is funny and the other serious. First of all I loved how she talked about how she said "no thank you" to congress when they wanted to fund the bridge building and said that if they wanted that bridge they would build it themselves. I am REALLY on board with "the American people can do it without government" idea. the funny one... I loved the hockey mom joke lol. "What's the difference between a hockey mom and a pitbull? Lipstick" LOL wonderful and very true. I am not a hockey mom... YET. but I am a hockey aunt, a hockey sister, a hockey wife and just an all around hockey fan and THAT is true lol. We are sweet and cuddly most of the time... but mess with one of our own and you are dead meat LOL.

[shais_mom]

I normally stay outta the dog house but in order to educate myself I read this thread in its entireity. I'm not sure I'm more educated or not.
I think that its going to be a tough call.
I'm not entirely sure some areas of this country are ready to welcome an African American man (qualified or not) as President. Those same areas of the country probably aren't ready to see a woman as VP either.
Her family's decisions and life choices just like the other canidates shouldn't be brought to the table. There isn't a parent of a teenager out there that agrees with all of the decisions their kids make. There are several parents on this board alone that I can name that would DISagree with their kids decisions. Mrs. Palin is no different.
A lot of areas I agree with her - a lot I don't - just like everyone else - there isn't one candidate that I would agree with completely I'm sure. But I'm sure a LOT of people are going to relate to Mrs. Palin with a child in Iraq, a pregnant teenager and a baby with Down's Syndrome. right or wrong - I think that is going to be the way it is.

[shais_mom]

You people from other countries want to know why some people say to "fear" this woman? If the U.S. is how people define freedom, I'm moving to Cuba. The U.S. is the land where hate crimes are seen as a normal part of daily living and your side winning in each issue can mean the difference between whether or not you can sleep safely at night. Fear is a big part of why some people vote. Sometimes I feel like the religious wars in the middle east are more sedate and peaceful than the political wars in the U.S.

P.S., Note how I don't call the United States by the term "America". This is not America, America covers everything from Canada down to Argentina. Somewhere along the years the people of the U.S. lost their brain power and came to think of our country exclusively as "America". Everytime I hear somebody talk about doing something bad about illegals from Mexico and then in the same breath they say the phrase "God bless America" it makes me sick to think how idiotic they sound. Using the term America to denote the U.S. makes us sound like a bunch of uneducated morons.

Just wondered if you'd packed your bags yet b/c with all the people that are swamping/swarming into this country illegally, I bet someone would LOVE to have YOUR spot.

[RICHARD]

Shai,

OF course you got something out of this thread.

It makes you want to find out more about the election.

I had to laugh about the ideas where people won't vote for XXXXX because they DO/DON'T --------

When we pick friend, GF or BF we are more than likely to forgive the fact that they snore, don't dance, don't pull down the toilet seat, hog the remote, gossip, drive too fast or ????????

We are so much more tolerant about someone we live/associate with, but we get to be so intolerant about some sap that will never ever come to your house and ask you, "What's the matter, friend?"


I like the fact that people say, "I'll vote for the lesser of two evils" -Ever try to look at what makes a person shine? I like the fact that BO is a trailblazer for the Dems. It takes a concerted effort to run for President. After that, when I scratch his surface? Nope, He doesn't show me anything. His pomposity and slickness make me wonder about who he really is. His wife gives me the heebee jeebies-talk about hard looking woman/eyes. She's a career hardarse. THat is a soul-less vessel right there. BO does have the gift of gab.

But I don't read no goobledy-gook, Boyee!!!!

I am sorry, but I can't support anyone that I can't believe in.


JM? He's like the old uncle that lives down the street. You know he's related to you and he fought in a war and then?????? You kinda know about what he is about because he's been there so long you can ignore him.

The lesser of two evils? Probably, but he's an evil you know and know where he lives!

Keep thinking and don't believe anything you see.

Feel it and know what it does.

[Pam]

When we pick friend, GF or BF we are more than likely to forgive the fact that they snore, don't dance, don't pull down the toilet seat, hog the remote, gossip, drive too fast or ????????

LOL! Richard you take this thread in many directions and I just had to tell you that this comment hit very close to home. My hubby does all of the above except gossip. Do you have wires hidden in my house?

Staci, I am glad you joined in the discussion. You make many good points as most of the people in this thread have. Just ignore the ones that are rude. I think that is why this thread has remained so civil and interesting. It's going to be a wild ride folks. 60+ days and counting!

[pomtzu]

I wrote the first responce in a hurry. Did not read it well or think it through. Sorry.



The Puckstop31 that started this thread is gone. I made my apology for saying some boneheaded things earlier. FWIW, I am enjoying this back and forth with you and the others. This election is going to be an important one and it is good for We The People to talk about it.

Thank you, but an apology wasn't expected or necessary. Afterall - this is the Dog House! I guess maybe you're not as big a jerk as I thought you were afterall!!! LOL

It's just that you struck a nerve on the issue of government and security, and of course 9/11 is a prime example. The images of that day are burned forever in my mind and I'll never be able to get rid of them. I pray that no one will ever have to experience anything like that again.

As to those that pointed out our liberty to "write in" a candidate rather than choose the lesser of 2 evils - that's like flushing good money down the toilet - IMO of course. I hardly think my write in for Kinky Friedman will change the overall outcome of the election!!!

[lizbud]

A lot of areas I agree with her - a lot I don't - just like everyone else - there isn't one candidate that I would agree with completely I'm sure. But I'm sure a LOT of people are going to relate to Mrs. Palin with a child in Iraq, a pregnant teenager and a baby with Down's Syndrome. right or wrong - I think that is going to be the way it is.

Sen Biden's son Beau is a Captain in the Delaware National Guard and
his unit has been called up. He leaves for Iraq in October. I'm pretty sure
Biden could make a big deal out of this by speaking publicly about his son
and Military service, but he doesn't.

[shais_mom]

Sen Biden's son Beau is a Captain in the Delaware National Guard and
his unit has been called up. He leaves for Iraq in October. I'm pretty sure
Biden could make a big deal out of this by speaking publicly about his son
and Military service, but he doesn't.

From what I've seen - and my experience/exposure is limited. I haven't watched any of the debates, Gov. Palin isn't making a big deal out of it either. Its the bane of our existence the media.

I am not politically passionate about anything, which is why I usually stay out of the dog house, b/c I can't contribute much. But the one thing that makes my blood boil, is when people (including people here) especially celebs like Alec Baldwin etc say, like they did the last election, if Bush got President again, they were moving to Canada or TimBukTu. And shock of life, they haven't gone anywhere, imagine that. B/c if they move to another country no one gives a rat's arse about WHO they are and they can't throw around their name along with their political aspirations.
blech - leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

[catland]

IF we elect someone soley on their personal life and whether or not they have a teenage pregnant daughter, then we get what we deserve. (btw - my mom is a hockey mom of five kids, and thankfully she is nothing like this woman)

No matter your politics, history is being made, making this a very exciting election. McCain's selection of a woman was a brilliantly played chess move - I just wish he had found a different woman, and not someone who comes with her own special prosecutor.

Her politics disturb me. Creationism belongs in the church and not in the schools (unless someone wants to teach a course in comparative religions and discuss several creation theories and myths).

[RICHARD]

LOL! Richard you take this thread in many directions and I just had to tell you that this comment hit very close to home. My hubby does all of the above except gossip. Do you have wires hidden in my house?

OH, you are ratting out you hubby for his foibles and WHICH anniversary is coming up?


BTW, it's a camera and I won't tell you what he does when you are out of the room.

For me it's 'good dicussion' time. When I'd get stuck in a problem or friendly arguement I always tried to put it into a simple frame of reference.

It softens the passion in the idea and makes you realize that it's the same situation, without the harsh points.


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Two men walked into the bathroom. As the first one approached the urinal he noticed a five dollar bill at the bottom, he stopped and reached for his wallet.

The second man asked him what he was doing. The first one pointed and said, "Look! There's a fiver in the urinal!" with that,he reached into the wallet, pulled out a 20 and threw it down next to the other bill.

He squatted down and pulled both from the water at the bottom of the fixture.

The second man recoiled in horror and said, "Why did you do THAT?"

The first man, holding the wet bills by the corner answered, "Do you think I'd stick my hand down there for just a five dollar bill?"

You can put money into the toilet, just don't pull the handle?

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Biden is a very modest man.

I don't think that he'll mention his time in the service. Patriots never brag.