HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu
Not in a million years. In my world, the book of laws would be about 3 pages long, double spaced. ;)
I mean God summed it up on two stone tablets. LOL
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HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu
Not in a million years. In my world, the book of laws would be about 3 pages long, double spaced. ;)
I mean God summed it up on two stone tablets. LOL
That's a rather strange statement considering I don't believe I ever revealed to anyone here on PT, who I voted for!Quote:
Originally Posted by Puckstop31
And no - I don't intend to do so now, either! :p
LOL... Nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu
I'd be willing to make a rather large wager on that. :)
Don't forget the Five Books of Moses, the Written Law, the Torah; otherwise known as the first five books of the Old Testament.Quote:
Originally Posted by Puckstop31
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Originally Posted by Puckstop31
And all I can say to that is that there's a sucker born every minute. :D
A fool and his money are soon parted. :D
Not saying that it could ever actually happen...but come on. I get so disgusted sometimes. It makes me sick to think that someone could hurt or neglect their child. I think of all the people who would be wonderful parents, who try so hard, but are not able to have kids, and then I read the threads and other stories about kids who have been killed by their own parents...it just bothers me, a lot. I think that having my own child has made me more emotional about the whole thing too. I would love to adopt a child who needs a loving home, but I doubt that I would be able to afford it. Someday I hope that changes. Anyway, I kind of blabbered off topic...did any of that even make sense? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Puckstop31
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Originally Posted by Puckstop31
LOLOLOLOL,
Send me a hard copy.......I'll sign it.:D
People make it sound like every 'abuse' 2ill cost them tons of money. spread across the 200 mill real taxpayers, its not even cents, for each one of us.
We really get a problem with some dopey chick who decides to have a litter- then we give an AJ like Madoff, who swindled 50 billion from real people across the country, barely a second glance.
8 babies or 50 billion dollars, what is more offensive to you?
Of course we all complain about keeping the Government out of our business, phone calls and email-then we get all huffy about someone having 14 kids.
We all support all the other people on state and government aid, what is a few more?
Oh, I forgot!
Please Uncle Sam, Don't make laws the punish me or the illegals, but in the same breath we want to have laws that prohibit women having babies?
Get real.
You want Uncle Sam out of people's lives and computers, but want to have him peeking into a GYN/OB exam room?
Do Not Make Me Laugh.
It's part of life now, Number 1 or get off the pot.
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I'll address stuff when I get some answers to my questions?:D
Both are offensive to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by RICHARD
I don't want Uncle Sam peeking into my bedroom or doctor's exam room. What happens in either place is none of his business - and that includes whether I choose to get pregnant or stay pregnant.
Madoff is also offensive to me, for other reasons. However, his victims are adults, able to make decisions; hers are infants. Personally I think both of them should have been neutered at birth. They disgust me.
I have worked with people who operate on the same level as kindergarteners.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grace
To me, the childern are more victims than some AHs who want more money and invest in a 'get rich scheme'.
Los ninos no tiene culpa.
It's the people who believe they are 'grown up' enough to operate in the world that are scary.;)
Show me one place...just one place...in this thread where ANYONE has suggested a law that prohibits women or men from having children.Quote:
Originally Posted by RICHARD
Other than a joking reference to having to have a license to have children... SHOW ME.
But of course...you cannot.
Because it isn't there.
So instead you will make some inane blather about this and that and the usual nothing.
Gosh...is THAT passive aggressive.
I have to ask the question...who is talking about the government here? About making laws...other than you of course.
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Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
No. Its two new behaviours, projecting and outright aggression.
Don't fall into the "I am an amateur psychologist and this is what is the matter with YOU!" routine.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by blue
I am crazy and I know it!
I stayed in a Holliday Inn last night.Quote:
Originally Posted by RICHARD
I feel bad posting when I KNOW I don't have anything relevant to add to the topic but I just had to say lurking here is quite entertaining.
:D I love the DH sometimes
Love it!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by blue
DJ,
Don't be going serious on us, O.K?:D
Now that's funny!Quote:
Originally Posted by blue
And, Richard, you still did not address what I asked because you were on your pulpit. Seeing that you may have lost your way since the question was asked so far back, I asked why you felt the necessity to "shout" by replying in large bold fonts. I'm not vision impaired either.
I also asked if you see the inequity of this "woman who lives in a shoe" getting donations from private corporations, asking for a couple of mil for her story, possibly getting a reality show, etc. all because she's obsessed w/child bearing (according to her parents) and was able to find an unethical doctor who would comply w/her wishes, while I and others like me are struggling to pay my monthly premium to an insurance company who has turned me down for necessary surgery on my jaw. We're talking about ethics and fairness, Richard, not about Big Brother.
FWIW, I believe that human females are not meant to have litters; animals are. Women are not built for it; animals are and even they have problems w/multiple births sometimes. Now consider that she has six other children to care for and ask yourself if it's reasonable or ethical to add more children to the mix. We PTers struggle w/our consciences whenever we take in a new pet because we know that it's a lifelong commitment and one that we had better be able to afford. It appears that she didn't even give this situation that much thought or consideration and these are human beings we're talking about!
Everytime I hear something else about this woman, I can't help but think of something I read here on PT just about every day. It's in caseysmom's siggy - "Don't breed or buy while shelter dogs die."
If this person is so freakin obsessed with children, she could easily have kept the population down, simply by adopting or fostering. But I suppose that wouldn't have been an option for her, since adopting costs money, and it's looking more every day that she is at the very far end of that equation. :mad:
And as far as the book deals, movie deals, interviews, talk shows, etc, etc, etc,.... I hope and pray that all these materialize and she makes big bucks, and in doing so, can't qualify for so much as one thin dime in assistance! :p
We do????? I thought I made myself quite clear on my views of illegals, deadbeats, and moochers who get freebies, while the folks that are entitled to assistance, go begging!Quote:
Originally Posted by RICHARD
Obviously you are a selective reader!!! :rolleyes:
Wonderful post. Thanks, Ellie.Quote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu
We cannot dictate how many children one wants or bring into this world. Not yet, anyway!
Do I think this woman will be a good mother? Who knows at this point. She will need a team of people to help with taking care of the infants.
I just read (not necessarily true) on the INTERNET news (Goggle) web site, that she has hope in getting $2,000,000 in TV, book deals. I think they should make her payoff her hospital bill straight off, then set up trust funds for the dozen + kids.
Does anyone know what religion she affiliates herself with, if any?
I, too, think she needs a good deal of mental health counseling.
FYI:
Several factors contribute to the development of a multiple pregnancy:
Heredity: A history of multiple births on a woman's side of the family increases her chances of having a multiple pregnancy.
Race: Women of African descent are the most likely to have multiple pregnancies.
Number of prior pregnancies: Having more than one previous pregnancy, especially a multiple pregnancy, increases the chance of having a multiple pregnancy.
Delayed childbearing: Older women who get pregnant are more likely to have multiples.
Infertility treatment: Fertility drugs, which stimulate the ovaries to release multiple eggs, or assisted reproductive technology (ART), which transfers multiple embryos into the womb (such as in vitro fertilization, or IVF), greatly increase a woman's chance of having a multiple pregnancy.
It's the last two factors that have been on the rise in the last couple of decades and are probably responsible for the increase in multiple births.
I guess I would not care much about this if I thought she and her parents could afford to keep these children healthy and alive. I DO resent that she is not paying for the delivery of these children, as far as I know. I heard an early report that the initial cost of each child to be in intensive care for the first few weeks would be at least $300,000 (each). You do the math.
I didn't read all the earlier posts, so please forgive me if I repeated what someone else has already posted.
One more time, I do not agree with her having all these children, but she did. Also, I suspect she medicated to increase the egg fertility, dropping way more egss than would have been implanted if she did the IVF routine. I just cannot imagine any doctor implanting that many embryos.
:rolleyes:
NO I read your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu
I have a very wonderful view on illegals-My dad was once an illegal, got his green card and was able to finally get off his arse and become a naturalized citizen.
The most wonderful story about his quest to become a citizen of the U.S. was the verbal test he was given before the ceremony.
HE was asked about the three branches of government and in his haste to answer and nervousness, he said, "The Army, Navy and Marines!"
The woman saw he was nervous and said to him, "That's good enough for me!"
So the INS/ICE thought enough of some dumb, old Mexican green card holder to let him become a citizen.
Sometimes we toss out the jewels before we know how valuable they are to us.
P.S. My dad was caught, tossed into the jail on Terminal Island near Lost Angeles, deported and came back under the law.
Funny, I always wonder how a jailbird became my hero!:confused::eek::o
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Originally Posted by Medusa
Because, I felt like it?
If you check around the feet of any 'preacher' you'll find his shoes are as dirty as the people that will listen.
I try not to take things too seriously-little things like san serif, bold or italics aren't bugaboos to me.
I often post messages that people ignore, I got it out of my system on a thread that won't change anyone's mind, the world or the way things run on the planet.
IT's off my chest and I apologize if it fell on anyone's toes.
And I'm referring to the illegals who choose to stay illegals and NOT get off their "arse" as your father did!!! Therein lies a big difference - and those are the ones I have issues with - along with the deadbeats and moochers that I think I may have mentioned as well. :rolleyes: At my age - I'm sure I'll not live long enough to see much improvement in the way the tax dollar is given away so freely to some, yet not for others. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by RICHARD
And you avoided any comment on my question/statement on "We do"??? Maybe YOU do, but I think the majority would say "We don't"!!!
Hmmm, yet you commented when I replied to your quote, saying that you were deaf now because it was in bold print. Do I detect a double standard here? Seems to me that lately you're always saying things because you feel like, everyone else's feelings be damned.Quote:
Originally Posted by RICHARD
Well...well...well... on the radio this morning the daily report on this woman :rolleyes: mentioned she is on MediCal (the state program of medical care for the indigent)! So I guess it IS costing something to other than "the people in the plan..."Quote:
Originally Posted by RICHARD
Of course, this was followed by a report on California having the worst credit rating of the 50 states.
Again, my issue is abuse of finite resources.
Oh my-my! I'm soooo surprised! :rolleyes::mad::(Quote:
Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
I had a feeling the health insurance issue was going to be public assistance. That really, really, irks me because she cannot afford to take of these children - let alone pay the insurance.
"As the stomach turns" - stay tuned!
:mad:
OH MY!
I was wrong.
I'd like all of you to take a post-it and write on it, "I DON'T WANT my hard earned money to go for this travesty of health care." and attach it to your tax return.
It works for me. I have never been charged for anything that I have made a note of. I never get a bill or notice!
Now, That is what I love about my government and the people who are too lazy to write a short note to the people in charge!
Can't just say "I was wrong" and be done with it can you? You have to insult people to boot. I guess we should be amazed you said you were wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by RICHARD
You were wrong. And you would have been wrong even if she did pay premiums to Kaiser. Just as you write above (I think) we all pay for it, regardless. Just because someone has medical insurance does not mean that no one but those who are also in that medical plan pay the expenses.
There are limited resources -- medical care, water, clean air, food, energy.
We need to start to understand that and act accordingly.
Just a question, can this be considered a psychological obsession? Is there a diagnosis for an unreasonable obsession with pregnancy and birth? Because maybe that would have been a reasonable argument for the physicians to not implant all eight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Medusa
Question again. If it is unreasonable or unethical for this woman with six children to bear eight more - which I definitely think it is, for reasons that have been well articulated elsewhere in this thread - what can be done about it? And whose responsibility is it - the medical community, the legal system, etc.? It is not biophysically responsible for this woman to have borne eight children at once. A bad decision on the doctor's part to allow the treatment to go forward. It is not fiscally responsible because all of the babies will incur massive medical bills that the mother is obviously not able to pay more than a minuscule portion of. They may very well have long-term complications of prematurity. None of the 14 will get the share of their mother's attention that they deserve. And there are other women in this world dealing with infertility.Quote:
Originally Posted by Medusa
Yes, the grandma talked about it this afternoon, the mom was an only child and had problems with ther being an OC.:(Quote:
Originally Posted by cassiesmom
IF she had was implanted here in the U.S. 'ethically' there is a cutoff to the number of embryos that can be implanted., I am not familiar with what they would do to the clinic or physician. This may bring in new standards to bear against U.S. physicians, but if she went out of country to have it done there is pretty much nothing that can be done to sanction the parties who did it.
Oh, I talked to my tax man and he said it was quite all right to ask that none of my taxes be paid out to support this woman....
As if that was possible.
And your thoughts on Nationalized Healthcare are?Quote:
Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by blue
I think this case of the 14 :eek: Kids is fast turning into an example of
"Nationalized Healthcare for the Few".
There's NO doubt (in my mind) that ALL these 14 Kids will be well cared for
(medically) for the rest of their lives - the News and the Public Outcries will
make sure of that.
And WHO's paying?
Good ole Cal-ee-fornia - with a lotta help from ALL of us in the form of
Federal subsidies to California.
Hope ya'll enjoy YOUR share of "our" Kids.
:rolleyes:
:mad:
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/s/ :( Phred
She may not get all the donations, etc. that she hopes. People in this country are getting fed up w/bail outs of all kinds, companies are going out of business and/or laying off people daily at an alarming rate and there may not be the resources to contribute to this woman and her situation. It may not turn out the way she wants it to at all.
Obviously Big Brother can't tell a woman how many children she can or can't have, but can't Big Brother tell her how many that she will get public assistance for? Since I've never been on the receiving end of the hand out system, I don't know what limits, if any, that a woman is restricted to.
So before I say any more to upset the minorities here, does anyone know if there is a cap on the amount of money a woman can receive? Does she get a set amount for each child, or is it on a scale and the amount decreases with each additional child? :confused: Inquiring minds want to know!!!
ETA - Clarification
When I made reference to "minorities" - I was meaning the one/s here that don't seem to feel that giving away tax money to this person is a big issue. I don't want to start a civil war here on PT!
She doesn't have a job but wants lots of children which
is her dream.
Her dream is fine as long as she can care for and afford to care for them with-out my hard earned money..
At this point I hope she gets lots of $$$ deals so the tax payers do
not have to foot the bill. JMHO
Who was this Dr. anyway who implanted her when she already had 6 children and no job?
http://news.aol.com/article/octuplet...509x1201254495
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Originally Posted by KYS
We are stuck with the bill, yet all the people who don't want the government or big brother getting involved with the 'sectshul' habits of the North American
Morons aren't happy either way.
Woman want to have birth control covered by BB, but don't want the men to have Viagra?
We want to have kids but don't want BB to control the embryo implantation numbers? " I want three and then tie the tubes!"
You can go to a clinic and get invitro 7 times like this woman has had, but other woman want the insurance to cover the cost of them getting treatments to get pregnant?
EFF THAT.
If you can't do it on your own, do a Angelina, I can't stand that kook, but at least she goes and takes care of the anklebiters from other countries.
This whole scene just shows the frantic labels we have put on motherhood and how 'invalid' women are if they can't become mothers.
We think that it's o.k., like the woman who lost her three kids in an accident then gets in-vitro to replace them, like three new humans will ever take up the room in her heart!
Then we have problems with some idiot who squeezes out eight at once?
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In the early years of EABs (abortions) you had to go see a shrink, now you can toss out any reason to kill a kid,
THe opposite is true with kids. No woman feels fulfilled unless they spend money trying to get pregnant..
I am tired of spending MY TAX dollars funding fertility clinics for women who are dumb enough to believe that popping out a kid makes them a More Valuable Person in the world.
Ellen Goodman has an opinion piece about this mess. the last paragraph pretty much sums it up -
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But right now, a reproductive business that generates so much controversy has produced a remarkable consensus. Infertility treatment for an unemployed, single mother of six? Eight embryos in one womb? There must be a proper word in the medical literature to describe this achievement. I think the word is "nuts."
Wow...that has to be the most misogynistic rant I have seen! Just Wow!Quote:
Originally Posted by RICHARD
Why do you hate women so much???....and please...after reading the above there is NOTHING you can say that would suggest you do anything but hate women.
After reading your posts in this thread, about having to pay for this womans children with your tax dollars, I dont see much of a difference between his post and your posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
Im suggesting that if a woman wrote what RICHARD did you wouldnt have a problem, but since RICHARD isnt a woman, yes I'm assuming here, you have a problem with what he wrote.
So why do you hate men and single mothers?