Another BYB is BORN~~

[GraciesMommy]

One of the teachers here at my school just brought in her 2 month old English Bulldog that she had flown in from Florida last night, paid $1500 (plus the flight) She already has a male..he is one year old..and intends to breed..Lordie!! she is nuts..doesn't know one thing about what she is doing..found the puppy on puppyfinder.com..no telling at all what kinds of problems she will run in to..no guarantees..nothing..I asked her what she was thinking and she said "well, I need to find some way to make extra money"...oh gosh.......another BYB is born...I was speechless! All I could say is please read up on the breed first before you commit to breeding and find out all the things that can go wrong..she said she intended to..yea right..if that were true she would have done that BEFORE buying the dog..Oh, and her 12 year old is the one who did the research on puppyfind and found the dog in the first place! She is a gorgeous little girl..and I feel sorry for her already..I didn't want to give her back...kept thinking what is in store for her......makes me ill~

[Logan]

Adding to this problem, Pamela, is that this is such a hard breed to breed due to their head size and other problems (thus the high cost). I do hope she wil be careful. :I

[shutterbug0303]

I can't understand why people would want to do that to dogs!!! ggrrrrrr!!! Why don't you just put your 12 yr old daughter on the street corner for some extra cash!!??!! Honestly, some people!!

[anna_66]

I know just what you mean. I can't tell you how many people I work with who are doing the same thing so they can "make some extra cash"

[Suki Wingy]

of all breeds to pick to breed for "extra cash", too? Obviously she didn't doo her research, or only the fact that a pet pup can do for upwards of $1000 made her buy that breed. Hope she's ready to pay the high cost for a c- section, and then the puppy vet bills when they have defects!

[pitc9]

Wow... she sure is in for it! Those dogs can not breed OR give birth naturaly!!

[KYS]

I sympathyize with you, but this woman only see's $$$.
She needs to watch on documentary on what can
go wrong with a breeding, what happens to unwanted dogs, puppy that grow up to be sickly etc. etc.

I guess Angie and others from what you said she will be in for
one big Vet bill.

[wolfsoul]

That's so unfortunate. Bulldogs have a very hard time giving birth. Alot of them need C-sections. Did you tell her this? Try exaggerating the cost a little bit...Tell her it's $5000 or something lol. I wouldn't be surprised if her dog died and none of the puppies made it. Maybe horrible things like that need to happen to wake people up.

[GraciesMommy]

Another gal gave me about 5 links to send to her anonymously..but I won't be able to do that without stirring up trouble..but I will see if she will let me tell her about them. I went to the links and was sick...they were horrid about things that can go wrong..I have a few months yet..she is only 12 weeks old...and she said she had to sign a contract not to breed before she was 16 months old...but she has a male in the house! And I doubt she is going to wait..she wants quick $$...its just so heart breaking to me...I have to figure out a way to get her to change her mind..

[wolfsoul]

Maybe you could tell her that C-Section is the only option for a bulldog to have pups. I know it isn't -- infact most English bulldogs can have puppies without one (it's French bulldogs that always require it). But I'm sure, that not having done her reasearch on breeding, she wouldn't know this. Just say to her, "Wow, you are lucky! I had a friend who wanted to breed bulldogs, but he just couldn't afford the C-sections!"

If she plans to breed her bully before 16 months...WOW. She shouldn't even be bred before 2 years! That right there would not only kill the pups, but it would kill her too. Her birth canal would be nowhere near big enough for the puppies heads to fit through.

[kt_luvs_kitties]

Maybe I could send the links for you? then it would not look like you did it, but rather someone who found out about a transaction over the net.? I just dont know what to tell you to do. That is a hard situation to be in.
My aunt breeds chihuahua pups, she has 7 females, ALL are pregnant right now 1/2 of the time atleast 1 of 4 die. Sometimes WEEKS after they are born, they have seizures, brain damage, their tummies are not developed. It is truly sad. Her comment on why she breeds "because I need money, and I dont have the money to get them fixed" So she does not just breed, but unintentionally to my knowledge, lets them imbreed.Makes me so mad , poor dogs Also that she paid so much for the first 4, she wants to make her money back.
My mother in law has a english bulldog and wants to get him a mate. Thing is, she says it is so each of her 4 sons can have one, BUT 2 of those sons, including my hubby AND his oldest brother has no interest in that kinda dog, even though we love them, not enough to want to get one anytime soon.
It is just so mean and uncalled for.
This is two pictures of 1 that died, after I tried to keep him alive for 4 days. He had seizures and then died during the night.

[Oggyflute]

Make extra money?!!!!! Pamela I just can't belive that some people are just so ignorant of what goes into breeding. Do they do no research at all. Ok I've never breed dogs, nor do I want to, but when we got our kids, I did extensive research on the matter. Mainly because I wanted to make sure that the breeders we were talking to were reputable. I did some calculations on what my breeders spend & what they would get when selling pups etc. I might add that our breeder has won best dog at the Royal Easter Show, which would be the most prestigous show in Aus. So at selling a pup at around 1K and averaging about 7-8 in a litter, and maybe having 2 litters, sometimes 3 a year, they would get around say 16-20K in a good year (in terms of income). Then I started to work out the costs involved, and quickly came to the conclusion that if you broke even and maybe had enough to improve your kennel facilities or something, you were doing OK. Breeding properly, that is not flooding the gene pool etc. is not a way to make money. You have to have a real love & passion for it. It's very labour intensive and it would be one of the worst ways to make "a quick buck". This lady might want to try and get a second job or something. It's probably the only way for her to get extra money.
I can surely appreciate the position your in Pamela, try and educate the best way you can. Good luck trying.

Sorry, rant over, it upsets me people going of and doing something without realising the ramifications.

[veegan]

ugh that is so infuritating!!! animals are not OBJECTS to treat like puppets for ones own profit or enjoyment! GRRR. and GEEZ of all the breeds out there, english bulldogs are probably one of the most difficult to breed!! like the others said, often they require c-sections, but even more complicating, they are prone to TONS of genetic health problems (eye, skin, ear, respiratory, etc etc etc), you REALLY need to know what youre doing when breeding that breed. I imagine RESPONSIBLE bulldog breeders run tons of tests on the dogs they breed before breeding to try and avoid as many health problems as possible. if this woman were going to breed them responsibly shed be making no profit. she obviously knows nothing and cares nothing about the lives shes bringing into this world! UGHHH!!!! I am so sorry you have to deal with such ignorance. I dont know what I would do in that situation. try to educate as best you can I guess. UGH. good luck

[GraciesMommy]

Thanks for all your input...we are not close friends...but we are friends...we see each other at school every day and she does come by my office to see me regularly because she knows I have Gracie and therefore we have something to talk about..but up til now its all been fun and light hearted..now I am just worried and mad..and hope I can keep my cool when she comes to talk to me about it..I know she will expect me to be excited with her and there is no way I can do that...and I won't even try...

[LauraT7]

Am I getting the impression that this woman is a TEACHER? maybe she should have a talk with the BIOLOGY teachers in your schools!

I don't remember who volunteered above - but I would be happy to volunteer to e-mail her those links and few others.

i don't know much about the breed, but I am an ADAMANT believer in 'responsible' breeding. I have worked with Rescue and seen the results of irresponsible people. I have suffered the loss of my best friend, the BEST dog in the whole world - because of irresponsible breeding, he died of lymphoma at the young age of FIVE, and had many other genetically related problems.

the gene pools for MANY top dogs are so inbred that genetic problems are a forgone conclusion.

I just spent time researching breeds after our Tristan died, - I'd always thought it might be nice to have a flat-coat retreiver, but they are hard to find. do you know why? at one point, after about wwII - the flat-coat lines were so reduced by inherited disease, that the breed almost died out completely. Now, you can find them, but their gene pool is so small, that they can't get away from inherited risks like osteosarcoma, HD, blindness, and Lymphoma at young ages. so much so, that the AVERAGE LIFE SPAN for a flat coat, is only 7 yrs! (compared to a golden, lab, or similar size sporting dog - who can live to 11 - 14 yrs!)

The responsible breeders have to be very, very careful - because their TRUE intent should be to maintain and improve the breed - NOT to 'make money'. Ask any responsible breeder - they aren't in this to make money, or teach their kids 'life lessons', or 'continue the personality of a favorite pet' or any other stupid selfish reason. They are in it for love of their breed. If any 'make' money, it's usually for showing, and winning, with their dogs and clients dogs in shows. And it takes alot of knowledge and skill to make a winner. and there are hundreds left behind and culled out of the line, humanely, or inhumanely, for the ONE that 'makes it'.

i just adopted a beautiful Golden girl from a responsible breeder. our Fizz has an amazing pedigree and I'm sure her breeding and care has cost her breeders a couple thousand dollars over her two years of life. But they GAVE her to me - under the condition that I spay her and love her as a housepet, because she has a mild heart defect, did not pass her heart clearances. It will not affect her health or longevity - but since she is not 'perfect' they don't want to take the smallest chance that the defect might show up, or be re-inforced, in her offspring.

Some breeders would have had her killed, or 'sold' her, or bred her anyway - but they cared more about the DOG and the breed, than about money.

I would be happy to talk to this woman about responsible breeding. she no business bringing puppies into this world - If she needs money that badly, she can make it more quickly, easily and safely - by putting HERSELF out on that street corner!

I'm sorry if i offend anyone - but I feel VERY strongly about this issue.

Animal Breeding should be left to those who are willing to put a great deal of research and money and effort INTO it - without expecting anything in return but a betterment of their breed.

laura