just gave this some thought....

[carole]

No need for an apology, because it is really all tied up together in a way.

[aly]

But its not like they go out and abort babies for the stem cell research. They use already aborted fetuses that would otherwise be thrown away. Right?

Lizzie? Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

[carole]

Aly that is my understanding as well, and of course from the umbilical cord too.
I am sure we will be corrected if we are indeed wrong. lol.

[lizzielou742]

OK I am no expert by far......but I think embryonic stem cells are grown in labs only, although I think they have used stem cells from already aborted fetuses (embryonic germ cells?) to research also, as well as cells from umbilical cords and such.

http://stemcells.nih.gov/info/basics/basics3.asp

[carole]

Yes that is my understanding as well.

[aly]

Originally posted by lizzielou742
OK I am no expert by far......but I think embryonic stem cells are grown in labs only, although I think they have used stem cells from already aborted fetuses (embryonic germ cells?) to research also, as well as cells from umbilical cords and such.

http://stemcells.nih.gov/info/basics/basics3.asp

Then I don't understand why people have problems with it

Can someone explain why they wouldn't want it funded?

[Miranda_Rae]

Originally posted by aly
Then I don't understand why people have problems with it

Can someone explain why they wouldn't want it funded?

I never said I didn't want it funded. I was simply talking about the abortion and other things. If you will read some of my posts you will notice that i said I didn't know a whole lot about stem cell research so I wasn't going to comment on it.

[guster girl]

Originally posted by aly
Then I don't understand why people have problems with it

Can someone explain why they wouldn't want it funded?

Yeah, I'm confused as well! I'm sure it's cuz I don't know, but, I'd like to.

[aly]

Originally posted by Miranda_Rae
I never said I didn't want it funded. I was simply talking about the abortion and other things. If you will read some of my posts you will notice that i said I didn't know a whole lot about stem cell research so I wasn't going to comment on it.

I didnt mean you Just anyone in general who didn't want it funded (as Bush doesnt).

[Miranda_Rae]

Originally posted by aly
I didnt mean you Just anyone im General who didn't want it funded (as Bush doesnt).

Oh ok, I was confused for a minute, lol. That happens a lot.

[Pam]

To those of us who believe that life begins at conception destroying an embryo for any reason is morally wrong, whether it is conceived in a petri dish (or wherever) or inside a womb. Those who have been able to conceive through invitro fertilization will tell you that what was implanted in them was the beginning of their son or daughter.

Embryo - In humans, the prefetal product of conception from implantation through the eighth week of development.

God is the giver of all life. When the angel told Joseph not to be afraid to take Mary as his wife because *that which is conceived in her* is of the Holy Spirit I don't believe we were talking many months' gestation. Mary was obviously very early on in her pregnancy and God had a special plan for this Child as he does for every child.

What bothers me is the criticism of the president because of his religious faith. How is it that some can't see that he has a right to his beliefs as much as anyone else and there are many that support his beliefs as well. I thought America was a land of religious freedom. How can those of you without religious faith fault a man because he is following his, as are millions of others.

[aly]

But what I don't understand is why you can be against something when they use a fetus that would be otherwise thrown away IN THE TRASH? Wouldn't it be better to use it to find out ways to cure diseases?

I'm not bringing religious beliefs into it at all. If an abortion already happened, why can't we put the fetus to use instead of throw it away?

[Pam]

Aly, my own personal answer to this would be that it further gives an impetus for abortion. After all, many would say, when we kill an embryo/fetus we are saving others. I just don't think God sees it that way. I can't speak for the President but I do have enormous respect for him to be able to stand against the tide for his convictions. Forgive me for this, as I am really not an argumentative person, but Kerry doesn't seem to stand for anything at all. He vacillates with the tides.....errr, polls/public opinion. I should stop now before everyone hates me, especially you for whom I have the utmost respect.

[Miranda_Rae]

Originally posted by Pam
Aly, my own personal answer to this would be that it further gives an impetus for abortion. After all, many would say, when we kill an embryo/fetus we are saving others. I just don't think God sees it that way. I can't speak for the President but I do have enormous respect for him to be able to stand against the tide for his convictions. Forgive me for this, as I am really not an argumentative person, but Kerry doesn't seem to stand for anything at all. He vacillates with the tides.....errr, polls/public opinion. I should stop now before everyone hates me, especially you for whom I have the utmost respect.

I agree that people would see it as, "Well since we are using the aborted babies we can save others so there really isn't anything wrong with it." I agree that it might encourage abortion. JMHO. Oh, and Pam, I don't hate you.

[aly]

Thanks Pam. I wasn't trying to argue with you and I have complete respect for you as well. (That is why I haven't replied to anything you wrote in the other political threads! ) I can agree to disagree on this one. I was just curious about the reasoning.

As I said before, I personally think abortion is wrong unless the mother is at risk. But I do support stem cell research because the fetus has already been aborted and would be in the trash otherwise. It affects me very personally. I just wonder if Bush would have the same stance on it if (heaven forbid) he had one of the diseases that could possibly be cured from it. Things are so much different when you are experiencing them yourself