Some day I'll get this forum "down pat"! Still working through it lol! Actually some days I feel like I'm taming the lions. I don't have any really nasty cats here right now with the exception of Mewsette who some days is soooo sweet and other days she'd like to rearrange my face. *sigh* Rescue Remedy to the rescue with her. But kidding aside, "THE HAND" does work very well, but I see your point Lisa...can't work around there with the other cats around. I cage my newcomers until I'm sure they aren't dragging in cursed panleukopenia. Right now I have a few too many nursing kittens under the roof, and have to do a quick thin out. Problem being several other foster homes are out of commision due to panleuk. so it puts me in a bind. Too many kittens, and too few foster homes. *sigh* Jan