I guess I didn't word that right, because I didn't mean to say every dog from a shelter is a nitemare. It has more to do with my insecurity. I look at you and lizbud and think you guys are great trainers and know any dog y'all had would be great. Then I look at the people with dog issues and I keep thinking there for the grace of a good choice would be me. So I know if I stick with a certain breed and go to a reputable breeder they're going to help me pick the right dog. I dunno the shelter is an unknown for me and is scary for me. It's a mental thing of not wanting to make mistake.