Sandusky found guilty of most sex abuse charges

[RICHARD]

It is really very simple. The case may not have even been in the courtroom without her efforts.

You misunderstood the question......the lawyers did all the scut work and that makes her a vital cog in the system?

I got my degree from watching reruns of Law and Order. She would have sent out the lawyers, had they lost.

In the end it just adds to the 'show' and gives her brownie points, it worked for Kathryn Harris.

[Edwina's Secretary]

You misunderstood the question......the lawyers did all the scut work and that makes her a vital cog in the system?

Perhaps you misunderstand the process. She took over the case and got it through the grand jury process - against some rather significant political odds. The Attorney General is the "supervisor" of the case. Making decisions - planning stategy - overall responsibility.

Indeed a VERY vital cog in the system.

Perhaps a little less T.V. - a little more real world would aid in understanding how it works.

[Catty1]

RICHARD - Ellie Nesler: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellie_Nesler

She died in 2008.

[RICHARD]

RICHARD - Ellie Nesler: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellie_Nesler

She died in 2008.

Thanks,

I for the life of me, could not remember her name.

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I do like to watch the clip shows of people going off in a courthouse, does that count as fake or real TV?

[Edwina's Secretary]

To paraphrase another make-believe character..."snark* is as snark does."

I cannot understand anyone cutting Paterno any slack. A leader? Please. He is given information that someone on his team is possibly raping children...in "his" facility. His only response is to report it to his superiors??? Not even a follow up call..."Say...did you find anything out about this guy who works for me who may be raping children?" Wouldn't he want to know if this allegation - rather heinous - was true or false? If it was false - wanting to clear his name - if it was true - to get him out of there!!! I just cannot imagine if someon who worked for me was accused of such a thing that reporting it to my superiors would relieve my conscious of all responsibility.

To him a game - a game with grown men running up and down a field and jumping on each other - was more important than saving children from rape.

[RICHARD]

People jumping up and down hugging each other like they are at a sporting event, when in fact it's the end of a real court case does put it into perspective.

[happylabs]

To paraphrase another make-believe character..."snark* is as snark does."

I cannot understand anyone cutting Paterno any slack. A leader? Please. He is given information that someone on his team is possibly raping children...in "his" facility. His only response is to report it to his superiors??? Not even a follow up call..."Say...did you find anything out about this guy who works for me who may be raping children?" Wouldn't he want to know if this allegation - rather heinous - was true or false? If it was false - wanting to clear his name - if it was true - to get him out of there!!! I just cannot imagine if someon who worked for me was accused of such a thing that reporting it to my superiors would relieve my conscious of all responsibility.

To him a game - a game with grown men running up and down a field and jumping on each other - was more important than saving children from rape.

I totally agree with you on this! Paterno should have been more diligent with the situation when he first heard about it. I truly believe he did not want to scar Penn State's "good name". This was swept under the rug on purpose. I know a lot of Penn State fans and lovers of Paterno will rant and rave if they read this but I don't really care.

[pomtzu]

So JoePa still takes the heat from the grave, in spite of the fact that there were allegations against Sandusky made to authorities some years before the McQuery/Paterno "enlightenment", and nothing was done at that time. Paterno was still THE bad guy tho - years after the ORIGINAL fact. Is he innocent of any wrong doing??? - NO. But he sure didn't deserve what he ended up getting.

And this isn't a rant/rave post - JMHO. It's best if I leave this thread, since I've stated enough of my opinions.

[RICHARD]

I totally agree with you on this! Paterno should have been more diligent with the situation when he first heard about it. I truly believe he did not want to scar Penn State's "good name". This was swept under the rug on purpose. I know a lot of Penn State fans and lovers of Paterno will rant and rave if they read this but I don't really care.

That is the reason that PSU wants the cases to be settled ASAP.

They did nothing but dodge the facts.

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On the day that the OJ Simpson trial verdict was read, I was in a meeting for my job.

During the trial I was able to watch most of the coverage and I was interested in the verdict.

Why?

A few years earlier I watched people in El Lay burn almost burn the place down - to this day there are open spots along the main drags that are concrete slabs where people and businesses stood. I was pretty sure if that creep was tossed into the clink, the same thing would happend.

Someone came into the room and told us that the verdict was in and we could watch it in one of the media rooms.

We all made our way in and started to watch the tube.

I took up a place along the wall and a woman came up and stood next to me. That kinda irritated me, because I wanted to judge the reaction of everyone in the room.

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The room got still and the two things that i remember most vivdly is Robert Kardashian looking like someone kicked him in the gonads and the woman next to me.

I felt her jostle me and I looked over to see her face.

Her eyes were wide open and she was smiling while doing a little victory jig.

I thought to myself, "WTF is THAT all about?"

The coverage cut to shots of reactions at some kind of law school were half the audience was cheering, hooting and clapping.

I have to say that is what embarassed me to be a human and Angleno, not in that order, but close enough.

The media played up all the angles, except the basic fact that two people were killed.

El Lay and the people who lived there were on pins and needles waiting for the results.

The verdict was a joke, but the way people 'celebrated' it left me with a bad taste in my mouth.

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Years before, I was a member of a jury that before being excused, we were asked if we wanted to meet with the lawyers, for some reason they wanted to talk to us and get some info about the deliberations.

Before we went out, the foreperson and two other women were shaking with excitement about getting to talk with them. One said, "Good, I don't have to go back to work today...."

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I think I prefer TV courtrooms to the real life BS when 'real' people are involved.

There is no more decorum, common sense or thought for each other when real crap like this happens. It's all a tragedy and instead of soaking it in and learning from it?

People celebrate it like it's something good.

Yes, there should be relief that people are held accountable for their actions, but a group of people standing around and making light of a courtroom verdict, make me nervous.

We may as well go back to the Wild West and start public executions all over again.

That would give the crown a more instant kind of gratification and think of the souvenir sales?

[RICHARD]

MSNBC is reporting that Paterno will be arrested and put on trial as soon as he can be located.

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I can hardly wait for Dick Wolf to do the screenplay.

[Cataholic]

To him a game - a game with grown men running up and down a field and jumping on each other - was more important than saving children from rape.

Where the heck is the 'LIKE' button on here? So freaking true it is ridiculous. "JoPaw" is as bad as the perpetrator, IMO. Dead or not (sorry, Ellie!!), this guy took the lame, easy, cowardly way out, all for the love of sports. Sad.

Not to say others also weren't culpable, but Joe Paterno was a 'leader', a 'hero'....and a big, fat, chickenshat.

[RICHARD]

Perhaps you misunderstand the process. She took over the case and got it through the grand jury process - against some rather significant political odds. The Attorney General is the "supervisor" of the case. Making decisions - planning stategy - overall responsibility.

Indeed a VERY vital cog in the system.

Perhaps a little less T.V. - a little more real world would aid in understanding how it works.

Is she like the old man Jack McCoy works for? He sits in his office and just decides stuff instead of actually trying the case, then at the end takes the credit?

Oh, so it is just like on T.V.

Without the commercials for lawyers looking to sue companies for bad mesh, spinal surgeries and car crashes.

I've lived in the real world way too much.

I use snark to make a point. I'm sorry people don't have their snark-o-meters in for a 10,000 mile tuneup.