Sandusky found guilty of most sex abuse charges

[RICHARD]

After years of horror, and fear and thinking justice might never be done, I can see the victims and their families having a celebration of sorts, and do not begrudge them one bit. How do you think they should react?

I think a more private "gathering" is more appropriate.

I remember growing up and watching he news - the reaction to something like this was a reporter going to a home where a victim lived and being greeted by a 'spokesperson' who would kindly tell the camera that the family was not going to make any statement and please leave us/the premises so we can sort it out.

I just go back to the troublemakers in El Lay after the King/LAPD trial.

That was a free for all that, to this day, still leaves me wondering. Even tho the trial took place about 30 miles away from downtown? The Simi Valley law enforcement groups were well prepared, while the LAPD were not. It takes a few morons in the crowd to start a riot.

I remember right after the story broke, that the students really didn't behave themselves after Paterno was asked to leave. If, for some strange reason, JS had been aquitted and the students had taken to the streets around PSU?

I don't have any problem with people beginning the healing process...it's the New Year's/Times Square atmosphere that seems a little over the top.

[redbird]

At least he was found guilty thank goodness. I'm still not over the Casey Anthony case, now that girl should be in jail also, she was guilty as hell.

[happylabs]

I think a more private "gathering" is more appropriate.

I remember growing up and watching he news - the reaction to something like this was a reporter going to a home where a victim lived and being greeted by a 'spokesperson' who would kindly tell the camera that the family was not going to make any statement and please leave us/the premises so we can sort it out.

I just go back to the troublemakers in El Lay after the King/LAPD trial.

That was a free for all that, to this day, still leaves me wondering. Even tho the trial took place about 30 miles away from downtown? The Simi Valley law enforcement groups were well prepared, while the LAPD were not. It takes a few morons in the crowd to start a riot.

I remember right after the story broke, that the students really didn't behave themselves after Paterno was asked to leave. If, for some strange reason, JS had been aquitted and the students had taken to the streets around PSU?

I don't have any problem with people beginning the healing process...it's the New Year's/Times Square atmosphere that seems a little over the top.

Let me try to explain why I think this happened.

This was a unique situation. There are many people who idolize Penn State and who also idolized Joe Paterno. Although I live only an hour away from State College, I am not one of them.

This was a big deal here in Pennsylvania since the story originally broke that there was a grand jury investigation into the alleged abuse(s) and cover-up by Penn State officials.

I am not saying I agree with the big to-do that happened at the court house, but it is just human nature I guess. Many of the people that went to the court house to find out first hand about the verdict had ties to Penn State.

A lot of people thought Sandusky was going to go free. The whole story hit home for many people in this area.

I personally am glad it is over because I am tired of it dominating our local news every evening.

[Cataholic]

You bet he's not!

I'd be willing to bet that these 10 victims are just the tip of the iceberg, and that there are many, many more who chose not to come forward because they were too embarrassed to do so.

This creep ruined a lot of lives, and the reputation of a wonderful university. And all the negativity about Joe Paterno - well that was the icing on the cake. It's a shame that he went to his grave with all of that crap hanging over his head.

My limited knowledge of the facts of this horrible mess is that Joe Paterno knew or should have known this sort of thing was going on. Those that sit by, idly, allowing crimes to be perpetrated on animals or children deserve everything that the abuser got. IMO. I do not believe this whole situation was known by only two people- the abuser and the victim.

[pomtzu]

My limited knowledge of the facts of this horrible mess is that Joe Paterno knew or should have known this sort of thing was going on. Those that sit by, idly, allowing crimes to be perpetrated on animals or children deserve everything that the abuser got. IMO. I do not believe this whole situation was known by only two people- the abuser and the victim.

Yes - it was reported to him by McQuery, and JoePa in turn reported it to the head of the athletic department, and it seems the buck stopped there, as the higher-ups within the university that have now also been fired, hushed it up. JoePa should have taken it upon himself to file a police report tho, so he was remiss there. I just think it was a damn shame that the whole dirty mess focused on him in the beginning - like he was the offender - and not Sandusky. And Sandusky's wife???? - she's almost as guilty as he is IMO. If she hadn't been so worried about losing her comfortable lifestyle and reputation, she would have turned that sorry sucker in years ago, and saved a lot of heartache that destroyed a lot of people. Again - JMHO!

[RICHARD]

Let me try to explain why I think this happened.

This was a unique situation. There are many people who idolize Penn State and who also idolized Joe Paterno. Although I live only an hour away from State College, I am not one of them.

This was a big deal here in Pennsylvania since the story originally broke that there was a grand jury investigation into the alleged abuse(s) and cover-up by Penn State officials.

I am not saying I agree with the big to-do that happened at the court house, but it is just human nature I guess. Many of the people that went to the court house to find out first hand about the verdict had ties to Penn State.

A lot of people thought Sandusky was going to go free. The whole story hit home for many people in this area.

I personally am glad it is over because I am tired of it dominating our local news every evening.

Got it.

I do think that there is a macabre attraction to stuff like this.

People that are not connected to a case are the strange ones. There was a fight for seats at the Casey Anthony trial-that made me laugh.

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I do believe in justice and people paying for their crimes against a community.

I find that the press/media coverage goes way over the top to rattle the cage of the folks in whatever area the crime takes place.

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On the Paterno connection?

JP knew, or had info about what was going on. I thought that his informing the uni and whoever else that needed to know was just enough to 'protect' his program. There have been smaller scandals that have ruined collegiate sports programs.

What did the Duke Lacrosse scandal do to that program?

There is quite a bit of healing to be done. And it happens on different schedules.

I understand the need for a community/neighborhood to feel safer about a thug/criminal bring brought to justice.
It's the 'dancing on the grave' stuff that goes on that make me think we are going back to the middle ages....

I saw that the lawyer for JS was on the steps of the CH and people were getting kinda frisky while he was making a statement. By the same token? The Atty Gen comes out to applause and cheers.

Like, what did she do in the courtroom?

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Off topic?

Who was the woman who showed up at a courthouse and took out a jerk who had molested her son? She went to jail and ended up with breast cancer. I can see her face but cannot remember her name.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Got it.


By the same token? The Atty Gen comes out to applause and cheers.

Like, what did she do in the courtroom?

It is really very simple. The case may not have even been in the courtroom without her efforts.

[RICHARD]

It is really very simple. The case may not have even been in the courtroom without her efforts.

You misunderstood the question......the lawyers did all the scut work and that makes her a vital cog in the system?

I got my degree from watching reruns of Law and Order. She would have sent out the lawyers, had they lost.

In the end it just adds to the 'show' and gives her brownie points, it worked for Kathryn Harris.

[Edwina's Secretary]

You misunderstood the question......the lawyers did all the scut work and that makes her a vital cog in the system?

Perhaps you misunderstand the process. She took over the case and got it through the grand jury process - against some rather significant political odds. The Attorney General is the "supervisor" of the case. Making decisions - planning stategy - overall responsibility.

Indeed a VERY vital cog in the system.

Perhaps a little less T.V. - a little more real world would aid in understanding how it works.

[Catty1]

RICHARD - Ellie Nesler: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellie_Nesler

She died in 2008.

[RICHARD]

Perhaps you misunderstand the process. She took over the case and got it through the grand jury process - against some rather significant political odds. The Attorney General is the "supervisor" of the case. Making decisions - planning stategy - overall responsibility.

Indeed a VERY vital cog in the system.

Perhaps a little less T.V. - a little more real world would aid in understanding how it works.

Is she like the old man Jack McCoy works for? He sits in his office and just decides stuff instead of actually trying the case, then at the end takes the credit?

Oh, so it is just like on T.V.

Without the commercials for lawyers looking to sue companies for bad mesh, spinal surgeries and car crashes.

I've lived in the real world way too much.

I use snark to make a point. I'm sorry people don't have their snark-o-meters in for a 10,000 mile tuneup.

[RICHARD]

RICHARD - Ellie Nesler: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellie_Nesler

She died in 2008.

Thanks,

I for the life of me, could not remember her name.

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I do like to watch the clip shows of people going off in a courthouse, does that count as fake or real TV?

[Edwina's Secretary]

To paraphrase another make-believe character..."snark* is as snark does."

I cannot understand anyone cutting Paterno any slack. A leader? Please. He is given information that someone on his team is possibly raping children...in "his" facility. His only response is to report it to his superiors??? Not even a follow up call..."Say...did you find anything out about this guy who works for me who may be raping children?" Wouldn't he want to know if this allegation - rather heinous - was true or false? If it was false - wanting to clear his name - if it was true - to get him out of there!!! I just cannot imagine if someon who worked for me was accused of such a thing that reporting it to my superiors would relieve my conscious of all responsibility.

To him a game - a game with grown men running up and down a field and jumping on each other - was more important than saving children from rape.

[RICHARD]

People jumping up and down hugging each other like they are at a sporting event, when in fact it's the end of a real court case does put it into perspective.

[happylabs]

To paraphrase another make-believe character..."snark* is as snark does."

I cannot understand anyone cutting Paterno any slack. A leader? Please. He is given information that someone on his team is possibly raping children...in "his" facility. His only response is to report it to his superiors??? Not even a follow up call..."Say...did you find anything out about this guy who works for me who may be raping children?" Wouldn't he want to know if this allegation - rather heinous - was true or false? If it was false - wanting to clear his name - if it was true - to get him out of there!!! I just cannot imagine if someon who worked for me was accused of such a thing that reporting it to my superiors would relieve my conscious of all responsibility.

To him a game - a game with grown men running up and down a field and jumping on each other - was more important than saving children from rape.

I totally agree with you on this! Paterno should have been more diligent with the situation when he first heard about it. I truly believe he did not want to scar Penn State's "good name". This was swept under the rug on purpose. I know a lot of Penn State fans and lovers of Paterno will rant and rave if they read this but I don't really care.