Obama Ends The Ban On Gays In The Military

[pomtzu]

Perhaps the reason why other countries have embraced this before the U.S., is that their population is considerably smaller and maybe they just had take what they could get. Perhaps their standards are lower too. Not saying that these countries or their people are inferior - not by any means - but there has to be some underlying reason. IMO of course - before anyone jumps on me for my statement.

[NicoleLJ]

Perhaps the reason why other countries have embraced this before the U.S., is that their population is considerably smaller and maybe they just had take what they could get. Perhaps their standards are lower too. Not saying that these countries or their people are inferior - not by any means - but there has to be some underlying reason. IMO of course - before anyone jumps on me for my statement.

Besides being 100% insulting to those countries by those statements, I guess you are trying to say that there has to be an underlying reason why those countries are being more progresive that the states in those areas other then because they believe in equality Crazy to imagine that Canada could beleive in freedom and equlity.

[Grace]

Countries that allow gays in the military -

Twenty-five countries allowed military service by openly gay people as of June 2009.

-- They are:
Australia,
Austria,
Belgium,
Canada,
Czech Republic,
Denmark,
Estonia,
Finland,
France,
Germany,
Ireland,
Israel,
Italy,
Lithuania,
Luxembourg,
Netherlands,
New Zealand,
Norway,
Slovenia,
South Africa,
Spain,
Sweden,
Switzerland,
United Kingdom,
Uruguay.

While all of these have smaller populations than the USA, I would hardly describe all of them as lowering their standards, taking what they could get. I see them as being more progressive than we are.

[NicoleLJ]

Countries that allow gays in the military -

Twenty-five countries allowed military service by openly gay people as of June 2009.

While all of these have smaller populations than the USA, I would hardly describe all of them as lowering their standards, taking what they could get. I see them as being more progressive than we are.

100% agree

[Lady's Human]

While all of these have smaller populations than the USA, I would hardly describe all of them as lowering their standards, taking what they could get. I see them as being more progressive than we are.

For most of those countries, the military is miniscule, and the tooth to tail ratio is badly skewed. One of those countries has no tooth at all.

Different cultures, different training methods, different uses for their militaries. The only countries on any sort of a par with the US out of the countries listed are probably the UK and France.

Standards are different from US standards in those militaries, and results are different as well. Helmsland province, anyone?

[pomtzu]

Besides being 100% insulting to those countries by those statements, I guess you are trying to say that there has to be an underlying reason why those countries are being more progresive that the states in those areas other then because they believe in equality Crazy to imagine that Canada could beleive in freedom and equlity.

Well - you guessed wrong. Such a shame - since you're always right on any subject that you choose to post about. You should be as concerned about "other matters" in your life that need tending to, as you are about matters that absolutely don't affect you in any way, shape, or form.
BTW - I thought you had me on ignore, as you previously stated that you did. But of course, since you went on a rampage a while back and deleted tons of threads, then that info would be erased. Nice job!

[NicoleLJ]

Well - you guessed wrong. Such a shame - since you're always right on any subject that you choose to post about. You should be as concerned about "other matters" in your life that need tending to, as you are about matters that absolutely don't affect you in any way, shape, or form.
BTW - I thought you had me on ignore, as you previously stated that you did. But of course, since you went on a rampage a while back and deleted tons of threads, then that info would be erased. Nice job!

If I was wrong then you could have simply stated how I was wrong about your post. But since you didn't...

Obviously I am not always right and do not think that way either. If I did then I would not have admitted that 2yrs ago that I didn't believe in equality for Gays. My views changed on that subject thanks to Doug and others having discussion with me about it. That is one of the ways how people learn and change, by talking.

So since a subject does not affect me I can not post about it? Talk about it or have an opinion about it? Well that is news to me. You better inform the other people posting in this thread that are not from the US that they are also not not allowed those things. Oh wait. Is it just me that you don't think is allowed those things? Interesting.

Yes I do have you on ignore. But you posted in a thread I put up. You asked me a question in a civilized manner about how Canada views this subject. So I choose to reply. Being on ignore does not mean I can't see what you post. It means I have to click on a little button that is above your post to view it.

WOW obviously you care a ton about me since you are so interested in every thing I do, and what goes on in my life, that you are watching all my posts and all my doings. Thank you so much. Nice to know you care

[pomtzu]

If I was wrong then you could have simply stated how I was wrong about your post. But since you didn't...

Obviously I am not always right and do not think that way either. If I did then I would not have admitted that 2yrs ago that I didn't believe in equality for Gays. My views changed on that subject thanks to Doug and others having discussion with me about it. That is one of the ways how people learn and change, by talking.

So since a subject does not affect me I can not post about it? Talk about it or have an opinion about it? Well that is news to me. You better inform the other people posting in this thread that are not from the US that they are also not not allowed those things. Oh wait. Is it just me that you don't think is allowed those things? Interesting.

Yes I do have you on ignore. But you posted in a thread I put up. You asked me a question in a civilized manner about how Canada views this subject. So I choose to reply. Being on ignore does not mean I can't see what you post. It means I have to click on a little button that is above your post to view it.

WOW obviously you care a ton about me since you are so interested in every thing I do, and what goes on in my life, that you are watching all my posts and all my doings. Thank you so much. Nice to know you care

Just as I expected from you. And if you think I care (about you) - well think again.

However, that being said, I do feel that there are more important issues in the U.S. than a big to-do about gays in the military. I'm far more concerned with the Federal budget at the moment, and whether I will see my S.S. check next week, and if perhaps my doctor will make me pay for my office visit because he doesn't know if he will get paid for it by Medicare.
There have been gays in the military for who know how long, so why the big deal now, just because our President gives his blessing???? As I said - much more important issues to be taken care of, than to resolve the issue and be happy that Joe and Jim who are military "buddies", can now walk hand in hand without the fear of being tossed out.
I just find it strange that you never bring up Canadian issues, but are quick to jump on U.S. issues.

[Karen]

Calm down, both of you, no need to battle over this. And Wombat, by the way, growing up my friend's Dad was a "Tupperware lady" - the only male salesman for them we knew of, but did well!

[pomtzu]

Calm down, both of you, no need to battle over this. And Wombat, by the way, growing up my friend's Dad was a "Tupperware lady" - the only male salesman for them we knew of, but did well!

No battle - just a difference of opinion and/or values.........