Obama Ends The Ban On Gays In The Military

[Lady's Human]

1) I'm deeply disappointed, Nicole, the correct word is homophobia. You're losing points for politically correct discourse. Pay better attention to the memos next time.

2) Did you fail to not the "Thank God I'm retired"?

That's recently retired. I think I have a decent handle on the minds of soldiers.

BTW, if you think 'every other military' accepts gays in service with no issues, I've got a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn. You won't hear anything about the hazing and assaults that happen in the US Military after this, and we're OPEN to the media.

[NicoleLJ]

1) I'm deeply disappointed, Nicole, the correct word is homophobia. You're losing points for politically correct discourse. Pay better attention to the memos next time.

2) Did you fail to not the "Thank God I'm retired"?

That's recently retired. I think I have a decent handle on the minds of soldiers.

If you want to nit pick words I can to. You sentence should be NOTE not NOT. So you were in the military. I was raised in it all over Canada. You failed to answer any of the questions I asked you in the previous post. If you don't want to answer or can't that is fine but they are fair questions. Here they are agian:

do you really think the US military personel are that full of bigotry? Because I have know tons of them and none of the ones I have ever met, lived on the base with(American soldiers did come to our bases at times for training coarses), and talked to never felt this way. They didn't care actually.

If Canada and many other countries have had no real issues or problems with this transition why in the world would you assume that the States will? I personally think there will be issues but they will be over come as they come up and are dealt with. I just don't think it is an impossible goal since others have already proven that it can be done.

I thought they were the land of the Free. The best place to live for the rights it gives it's people. Yet Canada in this area gives more freedom with little issue? This will give Gays the same rights as everyone else. Look at my post that shows the history of Gays in the military in Canada. I think it would be awsome if the States followed suite.

[Lady's Human]

do you really think the US military personel are that full of bigotry? Because I have know tons of them and none of the ones I have ever met, lived on the base with(American soldiers did come to our bases at times for training coarses), and talked to never felt this way. They didn't care actually.

Of course they did, and I'm also completely certain that that question was first and foremost in your mind when talking to foreign troops.

You have no idea about the amount of briefings US soldiers go through when going to a foreign country about proper contact with foreign nationals, what to say, what not to say, etc. I've been to Canadian bases for training a few times. You know how much contact we had and time to mingle with the locals we had? No contact except for the occasional chow trip or pogey bait run.We were out in the bush for all but three days out of the three weeks we were in CFB Gagetown, and that's the norm for US Army units training on foreign bases.

[Lady's Human]

As an aside, to be completely consistent, it's PRESIDENT Obama, or Pres. Obama, etc.

It's really grating when people don't use the proper address for someone, regardless of your opinion of the individual.

[pomtzu]

Perhaps the reason why other countries have embraced this before the U.S., is that their population is considerably smaller and maybe they just had take what they could get. Perhaps their standards are lower too. Not saying that these countries or their people are inferior - not by any means - but there has to be some underlying reason. IMO of course - before anyone jumps on me for my statement.

[NicoleLJ]

Perhaps the reason why other countries have embraced this before the U.S., is that their population is considerably smaller and maybe they just had take what they could get. Perhaps their standards are lower too. Not saying that these countries or their people are inferior - not by any means - but there has to be some underlying reason. IMO of course - before anyone jumps on me for my statement.

Besides being 100% insulting to those countries by those statements, I guess you are trying to say that there has to be an underlying reason why those countries are being more progresive that the states in those areas other then because they believe in equality Crazy to imagine that Canada could beleive in freedom and equlity.

[Grace]

Countries that allow gays in the military -

Twenty-five countries allowed military service by openly gay people as of June 2009.

-- They are:
Australia,
Austria,
Belgium,
Canada,
Czech Republic,
Denmark,
Estonia,
Finland,
France,
Germany,
Ireland,
Israel,
Italy,
Lithuania,
Luxembourg,
Netherlands,
New Zealand,
Norway,
Slovenia,
South Africa,
Spain,
Sweden,
Switzerland,
United Kingdom,
Uruguay.

While all of these have smaller populations than the USA, I would hardly describe all of them as lowering their standards, taking what they could get. I see them as being more progressive than we are.

[NicoleLJ]

Countries that allow gays in the military -

Twenty-five countries allowed military service by openly gay people as of June 2009.

While all of these have smaller populations than the USA, I would hardly describe all of them as lowering their standards, taking what they could get. I see them as being more progressive than we are.

100% agree

[Lady's Human]

While all of these have smaller populations than the USA, I would hardly describe all of them as lowering their standards, taking what they could get. I see them as being more progressive than we are.

For most of those countries, the military is miniscule, and the tooth to tail ratio is badly skewed. One of those countries has no tooth at all.

Different cultures, different training methods, different uses for their militaries. The only countries on any sort of a par with the US out of the countries listed are probably the UK and France.

Standards are different from US standards in those militaries, and results are different as well. Helmsland province, anyone?

[pomtzu]

Besides being 100% insulting to those countries by those statements, I guess you are trying to say that there has to be an underlying reason why those countries are being more progresive that the states in those areas other then because they believe in equality Crazy to imagine that Canada could beleive in freedom and equlity.

Well - you guessed wrong. Such a shame - since you're always right on any subject that you choose to post about. You should be as concerned about "other matters" in your life that need tending to, as you are about matters that absolutely don't affect you in any way, shape, or form.
BTW - I thought you had me on ignore, as you previously stated that you did. But of course, since you went on a rampage a while back and deleted tons of threads, then that info would be erased. Nice job!

[NicoleLJ]

Well - you guessed wrong. Such a shame - since you're always right on any subject that you choose to post about. You should be as concerned about "other matters" in your life that need tending to, as you are about matters that absolutely don't affect you in any way, shape, or form.
BTW - I thought you had me on ignore, as you previously stated that you did. But of course, since you went on a rampage a while back and deleted tons of threads, then that info would be erased. Nice job!

If I was wrong then you could have simply stated how I was wrong about your post. But since you didn't...

Obviously I am not always right and do not think that way either. If I did then I would not have admitted that 2yrs ago that I didn't believe in equality for Gays. My views changed on that subject thanks to Doug and others having discussion with me about it. That is one of the ways how people learn and change, by talking.

So since a subject does not affect me I can not post about it? Talk about it or have an opinion about it? Well that is news to me. You better inform the other people posting in this thread that are not from the US that they are also not not allowed those things. Oh wait. Is it just me that you don't think is allowed those things? Interesting.

Yes I do have you on ignore. But you posted in a thread I put up. You asked me a question in a civilized manner about how Canada views this subject. So I choose to reply. Being on ignore does not mean I can't see what you post. It means I have to click on a little button that is above your post to view it.

WOW obviously you care a ton about me since you are so interested in every thing I do, and what goes on in my life, that you are watching all my posts and all my doings. Thank you so much. Nice to know you care

[pomtzu]

If I was wrong then you could have simply stated how I was wrong about your post. But since you didn't...

Obviously I am not always right and do not think that way either. If I did then I would not have admitted that 2yrs ago that I didn't believe in equality for Gays. My views changed on that subject thanks to Doug and others having discussion with me about it. That is one of the ways how people learn and change, by talking.

So since a subject does not affect me I can not post about it? Talk about it or have an opinion about it? Well that is news to me. You better inform the other people posting in this thread that are not from the US that they are also not not allowed those things. Oh wait. Is it just me that you don't think is allowed those things? Interesting.

Yes I do have you on ignore. But you posted in a thread I put up. You asked me a question in a civilized manner about how Canada views this subject. So I choose to reply. Being on ignore does not mean I can't see what you post. It means I have to click on a little button that is above your post to view it.

WOW obviously you care a ton about me since you are so interested in every thing I do, and what goes on in my life, that you are watching all my posts and all my doings. Thank you so much. Nice to know you care

Just as I expected from you. And if you think I care (about you) - well think again.

However, that being said, I do feel that there are more important issues in the U.S. than a big to-do about gays in the military. I'm far more concerned with the Federal budget at the moment, and whether I will see my S.S. check next week, and if perhaps my doctor will make me pay for my office visit because he doesn't know if he will get paid for it by Medicare.
There have been gays in the military for who know how long, so why the big deal now, just because our President gives his blessing???? As I said - much more important issues to be taken care of, than to resolve the issue and be happy that Joe and Jim who are military "buddies", can now walk hand in hand without the fear of being tossed out.
I just find it strange that you never bring up Canadian issues, but are quick to jump on U.S. issues.

[Karen]

Calm down, both of you, no need to battle over this. And Wombat, by the way, growing up my friend's Dad was a "Tupperware lady" - the only male salesman for them we knew of, but did well!

[NicoleLJ]

BTW, if you think 'every other military' accepts gays in service with no issues, I've got a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn. You won't hear anything about the hazing and assaults that happen in the US Military after this, and we're OPEN to the media.

I never said no issues I implied only a little issue. But that is Canada. In the States I have stated that I do believe there will be issues. I have said that prior. But I also believe that they will be over come as time goes on.