Obama Ends The Ban On Gays In The Military

[NicoleLJ]

Because I believe in equality. I can admit that if you had asked me if I supported Gays and equality 2 yrs ago that I would have said no. If asked why my only arguement was that it was agianst my religion. Even saying it left a bad taste in my mouth. Doug and many other helped me to see how prejudice my views were. I fought it because I didn't want to think that the church I was raised to believe was the one true church could be wrong. But they are and were.

Prejudism does not just affect people of color, religion, race and such. It can affect everyone. Even disable people have to deal with it too. Doug asked me yesterday when I was discussing this issue with him, what the difference is if a gay man, a woman, colored person, straight man or so on were to rescue another soldier on a field of battle. The answer is there is no difference. Would a wounded soldier refuse their aid because of the person religion? Color? Sex? Sexual orientation? No. They can still do all the same things required. They just are different in some way or another and there is nothing wrong with that. So if there is nothing wrong with them being different then they should all be treated equally. They should have the same rights and freedoms as everyone else esspecailly since they are putting their life on the line to defend their country.

[blue]

Yeah, like equal treatment under the law.

So making special laws and accommodations for gays in the military is equal treatment?

Gays were free to serve before President Obama lifted the "Ban" on gays in the military.

[NicoleLJ]

So making special laws and accommodations for gays in the military is equal treatment?

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How are they being given special accommodations? They are being given the same rights as everyone else. I don't see that as special. I see that as equality.

[Karen]

So making special laws and accommodations for gays in the military is equal treatment?

Gays were free to serve before President Obama lifted the "Ban" on gays in the military.

They were allowed to serve as long as they did not admit their sexual orientation to anyone. T'was always thus, unofficially. These days, there are more and more lawyers on earth per person, so more things make it into law.

It will be a transition, that's for sure. I hope it happens more or less smoothly, but knowing there are human beings involved on every side of the issue means it probably won't. Sigh. But I can hope!

[Edwina's Secretary]

Thirty-four responses about with whom adults have consensual adult relationships.

Fourteen about almost 100 people killed by a right wing religious nut.

Good to know we have our priorities straight.

[blue]

How are they being given special accommodations? They are being given the same rights as everyone else. I don't see that as special. I see that as equality.

From the OP.

how it will affect housing, military transfers and other health and social benefits.

Special considerations and accommodations is how I read that. That is not equality.

[Marigold2]

I am so proud of our President. Like Lincoln he feels alll men should be treated equally. Black, white, gay or straight.

These precious young children, men and women are risking their lives to keep us and the world safe.
They are our sons and daughters, our brothers and nieces.

Each one is a hero, each one an American.

[Lady's Human]

Yeay progressivism.

To hell with the fallout of the declaration.

Again, glad I'm retired so I don't have to deal with the fallout of this mess, which will be far worse than the fallout of allowing women into combat support units.

[blue]

Time to get rid of womens only gyms. If we are going to be progressive, lets be progressive.

[pomtzu]

Besides being 100% insulting to those countries by those statements, I guess you are trying to say that there has to be an underlying reason why those countries are being more progresive that the states in those areas other then because they believe in equality Crazy to imagine that Canada could beleive in freedom and equlity.

Well - you guessed wrong. Such a shame - since you're always right on any subject that you choose to post about. You should be as concerned about "other matters" in your life that need tending to, as you are about matters that absolutely don't affect you in any way, shape, or form.
BTW - I thought you had me on ignore, as you previously stated that you did. But of course, since you went on a rampage a while back and deleted tons of threads, then that info would be erased. Nice job!

[wombat2u2004]

Time to get rid of womens only gyms. If we are going to be progressive, lets be progressive.

You mean....now I have the freedom to go to Tupperware parties ????
Oh goody.
I like this thread, it gives me the opportunity to be equal with everyone, and to ask those questions which until now I have been afraid to ask.
Question: How can I get rid of these durn period pains ???
I know, I know....I'm male and therefore don't have them....but I have the RIGHT to have them.
THAT, is equality !!!!

[NicoleLJ]

Well - you guessed wrong. Such a shame - since you're always right on any subject that you choose to post about. You should be as concerned about "other matters" in your life that need tending to, as you are about matters that absolutely don't affect you in any way, shape, or form.
BTW - I thought you had me on ignore, as you previously stated that you did. But of course, since you went on a rampage a while back and deleted tons of threads, then that info would be erased. Nice job!

If I was wrong then you could have simply stated how I was wrong about your post. But since you didn't...

Obviously I am not always right and do not think that way either. If I did then I would not have admitted that 2yrs ago that I didn't believe in equality for Gays. My views changed on that subject thanks to Doug and others having discussion with me about it. That is one of the ways how people learn and change, by talking.

So since a subject does not affect me I can not post about it? Talk about it or have an opinion about it? Well that is news to me. You better inform the other people posting in this thread that are not from the US that they are also not not allowed those things. Oh wait. Is it just me that you don't think is allowed those things? Interesting.

Yes I do have you on ignore. But you posted in a thread I put up. You asked me a question in a civilized manner about how Canada views this subject. So I choose to reply. Being on ignore does not mean I can't see what you post. It means I have to click on a little button that is above your post to view it.

WOW obviously you care a ton about me since you are so interested in every thing I do, and what goes on in my life, that you are watching all my posts and all my doings. Thank you so much. Nice to know you care

[pomtzu]

If I was wrong then you could have simply stated how I was wrong about your post. But since you didn't...

Obviously I am not always right and do not think that way either. If I did then I would not have admitted that 2yrs ago that I didn't believe in equality for Gays. My views changed on that subject thanks to Doug and others having discussion with me about it. That is one of the ways how people learn and change, by talking.

So since a subject does not affect me I can not post about it? Talk about it or have an opinion about it? Well that is news to me. You better inform the other people posting in this thread that are not from the US that they are also not not allowed those things. Oh wait. Is it just me that you don't think is allowed those things? Interesting.

Yes I do have you on ignore. But you posted in a thread I put up. You asked me a question in a civilized manner about how Canada views this subject. So I choose to reply. Being on ignore does not mean I can't see what you post. It means I have to click on a little button that is above your post to view it.

WOW obviously you care a ton about me since you are so interested in every thing I do, and what goes on in my life, that you are watching all my posts and all my doings. Thank you so much. Nice to know you care

Just as I expected from you. And if you think I care (about you) - well think again.

However, that being said, I do feel that there are more important issues in the U.S. than a big to-do about gays in the military. I'm far more concerned with the Federal budget at the moment, and whether I will see my S.S. check next week, and if perhaps my doctor will make me pay for my office visit because he doesn't know if he will get paid for it by Medicare.
There have been gays in the military for who know how long, so why the big deal now, just because our President gives his blessing???? As I said - much more important issues to be taken care of, than to resolve the issue and be happy that Joe and Jim who are military "buddies", can now walk hand in hand without the fear of being tossed out.
I just find it strange that you never bring up Canadian issues, but are quick to jump on U.S. issues.

[Karen]

Calm down, both of you, no need to battle over this. And Wombat, by the way, growing up my friend's Dad was a "Tupperware lady" - the only male salesman for them we knew of, but did well!

[pomtzu]

Calm down, both of you, no need to battle over this. And Wombat, by the way, growing up my friend's Dad was a "Tupperware lady" - the only male salesman for them we knew of, but did well!

No battle - just a difference of opinion and/or values.........