Rex Murphy: Testing America’s tolerance

[wombat2u2004]

[QUOTE=Medusa;2289272] They say that it should promote compassion and understanding and should build a bridge between their culture and ours./QUOTE]

Ah right.
So who is going to be stupid enough to believe them ????
Not me.

[Lady's Human]

[QUOTE=wombat2u2004;2290022]

They say that it should promote compassion and understanding and should build a bridge between their culture and ours./QUOTE]

Ah right.
So who is going to be stupid enough to believe them ????
Not me.

You're halfway around the world. How, exactly does this affect you at all?

[wombat2u2004]

[QUOTE=Lady's Human;2290030]

You're halfway around the world. How, exactly does this affect you at all?

It doesn't..........but you know, just like you, I have freedom of speech.

[lizbud]

It doesn't personally affect me either, I live in Indiana, but I also have a opinion about it.

[Lady's Human]

On a Constitutional basis it affects everyone in the United States. You know, that old, useless document written by a bunch of dead rich white guys?

Being that this is largely a constitutional issue, and we already know Wom thinks of our Constitution as an impediment to running a country the right way, his opinion is pretty much redundant.

BTW, Wom, nice mosques y'all have down there in Oz. Doing anything about them? After all, the only goal of Islam is a worldwide theocracy under the Caliphate.

http://www.visitmelbourne.com/displa...280C476A9046C/

[wombat2u2004]

"On a Constitutional basis it affects everyone in the United States. You know, that old, useless document written by a bunch of dead rich white guys?"

You mean the document that has in the last 50 years opened up a huge Pandora's box ???

"Being that this is largely a constitutional issue, and we already know Wom thinks of our Constitution as an impediment to running a country the right way, his opinion is pretty much redundant."

Why does it make my opinion redundant ???? Enough people who share my opinion could only change things for the better.
You know, you buy a McHeadache Shake from McDonalds and you get enough headaches, you don't buy the shakes anymore.

"BTW, Wom, nice mosques y'all have down there in Oz. Doing anything about them?"

Yep. There have been many Development Applications for the building of mosques within areas where public opinion against them has been high.
You see, our Consitution allows Freedom of Religion, but the public will not allow those religions to simply make fools of us by using our own existing laws against us...like your laws do.

"After all, the only goal of Islam is a worldwide theocracy under the Caliphate."

Glad to see that thought had crossed your mind. And the sooner you wake up to the fact that Islam is having a big party in your country, the sooner something may be done.

[Karen]

By whose estimation is Islam having a "big party" in our country? They are still a vastly outnumbered minority, and most are peace-loving folks.

[smokey the elder]

[dons fireproof undies]

I just find the level of Islamophobia being manifested disturbing, although it appears that I am in the minority here. It's demonizing a religion/culture. It smells too much like the scrutiny given Germans during WWI, and the internment of Nisei in WWII. Near the WTC site is not the only places where mosques are being protested. None of those places were bombed by Islamist [emphasis mine] terrorists on 9/11 or any other time.

There is an unfortunate tendency in American history for there to be "undesirables", be it the newly-emancipated slaves; the Irish immigrants after the potato famine; the Chinese railway workers; the Germans in WWI; the Japanese-Americans in WWII; the Hispanics and Middle Eastern immigrants (legal or otherwise) now.

IMO, I see a ton of moral relativism in this whole debate. "They won't let Christians build a church in Mecca". Does that make a lesser wrong any less wrong? (Did that even make sense?)

[Miss Z]

[dons fireproof undies]

I just find the level of Islamophobia being manifested disturbing, although it appears that I am in the minority here. It's demonizing a religion/culture. It smells too much like the scrutiny given Germans during WWI, and the internment of Nisei in WWII. Near the WTC site is not the only places where mosques are being protested. None of those places were bombed by Islamist [emphasis mine] terrorists on 9/11 or any other time.

IMO, I see a ton of moral relativism in this whole debate. "They won't let Christians build a church in Mecca". Does that make a lesser wrong any less wrong? (Did that even make sense?)

Totally agreed and thanks for putting that so eloquently.

What I find disturbing is the phrase I've seen a few times, 'between Islam and America', implying them as separate. Surely by that very first amendment afore mentioned, that should not be the case.

It's a classic case of a lack of education in many respects - I often find that people who seem to know so much about the cruelties and injustices of Islam don't know any people of that faith who might be able to give them a new perspective.

And as for a source about Muslims being a peace-loving people, go to an Arabic country, and see how many greet you with 'salam'.

[Puckstop31]

Totally agreed and thanks for putting that so eloquently.

What I find disturbing is the phrase I've seen a few times, 'between Islam and America', implying them as separate. Surely by that very first amendment afore mentioned, that should not be the case.

It's a classic case of a lack of education in many respects - I often find that people who seem to know so much about the cruelties and injustices of Islam don't know any people of that faith who might be able to give them a new perspective.

And as for a source about Muslims being a peace-loving people, go to an Arabic country, and see how many greet you with 'salam'.

I agree 100% on the right to worship as one chooses. I also could care less about them building a mosque where they want to. Its just a building. The church is the people, not the building. What I care about is how the people of a certain church behave.

But on a similar line of thought... Where I see the trouble happening is when people of a certain religious group want a set of laws that are different from the country they choose to live in. I am not 100% up to speed on what is going on in the UK with this right now... But I do recall seeing something about a judge allowing 'certain aspects' of sharia law to apply to muslim groups in the UK. Any comment on that Zara?

Not picking on you or anything, I just know you have a soild brain up there and you live in the UK.