Rex Murphy: Testing America’s tolerance

[Medusa]

What I don't understand is why they're so insistent on the mosque being there and not somewhere else. They say that it should promote compassion and understanding and should build a bridge between their culture and ours. Well, surely they can see that it's caused a furor, that too many Americans oppose it and do not want it. So it's having the opposite effect. Yes, we already know that it's their right to build there but this is more than just an issue of rights. The fact that they refuse to back down and build it elsewhere, especially when there are over 100 mosques in NYC already, it makes me wonder what their real agenda is.

[Cataholic]

Must be us Ohioians...as I see it like ^^ does.

[RICHARD]

And the prez shoots his piehole off and spends the rest of the weekend backpedaling, like the guy who rides a bicycle backwards at the circus.

"That's not what I meant!"

LOLOLOLOL,

Just open up a dialogue with your enemies. While you are at the table talking, the other side has broken the side window of your car parked outside and taken a dump on the front seat.

Mr Obama,

You can drive the car back home, I am taking the bus.

[wombat2u2004]

[QUOTE=Medusa;2289272] They say that it should promote compassion and understanding and should build a bridge between their culture and ours./QUOTE]

Ah right.
So who is going to be stupid enough to believe them ????
Not me.

[Lady's Human]

[QUOTE=wombat2u2004;2290022]

They say that it should promote compassion and understanding and should build a bridge between their culture and ours./QUOTE]

Ah right.
So who is going to be stupid enough to believe them ????
Not me.

You're halfway around the world. How, exactly does this affect you at all?

[wombat2u2004]

[QUOTE=Lady's Human;2290030]

You're halfway around the world. How, exactly does this affect you at all?

It doesn't..........but you know, just like you, I have freedom of speech.

[lizbud]

It doesn't personally affect me either, I live in Indiana, but I also have a opinion about it.

[Lady's Human]

On a Constitutional basis it affects everyone in the United States. You know, that old, useless document written by a bunch of dead rich white guys?

Being that this is largely a constitutional issue, and we already know Wom thinks of our Constitution as an impediment to running a country the right way, his opinion is pretty much redundant.

BTW, Wom, nice mosques y'all have down there in Oz. Doing anything about them? After all, the only goal of Islam is a worldwide theocracy under the Caliphate.

http://www.visitmelbourne.com/displa...280C476A9046C/

[wombat2u2004]

"On a Constitutional basis it affects everyone in the United States. You know, that old, useless document written by a bunch of dead rich white guys?"

You mean the document that has in the last 50 years opened up a huge Pandora's box ???

"Being that this is largely a constitutional issue, and we already know Wom thinks of our Constitution as an impediment to running a country the right way, his opinion is pretty much redundant."

Why does it make my opinion redundant ???? Enough people who share my opinion could only change things for the better.
You know, you buy a McHeadache Shake from McDonalds and you get enough headaches, you don't buy the shakes anymore.

"BTW, Wom, nice mosques y'all have down there in Oz. Doing anything about them?"

Yep. There have been many Development Applications for the building of mosques within areas where public opinion against them has been high.
You see, our Consitution allows Freedom of Religion, but the public will not allow those religions to simply make fools of us by using our own existing laws against us...like your laws do.

"After all, the only goal of Islam is a worldwide theocracy under the Caliphate."

Glad to see that thought had crossed your mind. And the sooner you wake up to the fact that Islam is having a big party in your country, the sooner something may be done.

[smokey the elder]

[dons fireproof undies]

I just find the level of Islamophobia being manifested disturbing, although it appears that I am in the minority here. It's demonizing a religion/culture. It smells too much like the scrutiny given Germans during WWI, and the internment of Nisei in WWII. Near the WTC site is not the only places where mosques are being protested. None of those places were bombed by Islamist [emphasis mine] terrorists on 9/11 or any other time.

There is an unfortunate tendency in American history for there to be "undesirables", be it the newly-emancipated slaves; the Irish immigrants after the potato famine; the Chinese railway workers; the Germans in WWI; the Japanese-Americans in WWII; the Hispanics and Middle Eastern immigrants (legal or otherwise) now.

IMO, I see a ton of moral relativism in this whole debate. "They won't let Christians build a church in Mecca". Does that make a lesser wrong any less wrong? (Did that even make sense?)

[Miss Z]

[dons fireproof undies]

I just find the level of Islamophobia being manifested disturbing, although it appears that I am in the minority here. It's demonizing a religion/culture. It smells too much like the scrutiny given Germans during WWI, and the internment of Nisei in WWII. Near the WTC site is not the only places where mosques are being protested. None of those places were bombed by Islamist [emphasis mine] terrorists on 9/11 or any other time.

IMO, I see a ton of moral relativism in this whole debate. "They won't let Christians build a church in Mecca". Does that make a lesser wrong any less wrong? (Did that even make sense?)

Totally agreed and thanks for putting that so eloquently.

What I find disturbing is the phrase I've seen a few times, 'between Islam and America', implying them as separate. Surely by that very first amendment afore mentioned, that should not be the case.

It's a classic case of a lack of education in many respects - I often find that people who seem to know so much about the cruelties and injustices of Islam don't know any people of that faith who might be able to give them a new perspective.

And as for a source about Muslims being a peace-loving people, go to an Arabic country, and see how many greet you with 'salam'.