Sex abuse in church

[wombat2u2004]

Moderation, mate.
You Aussies start young.

Errrrrrr....I only had a nip or two with Kathy behind the dunny.

[Marigold2]

OMG I would have never lasted Richard. If a nun hit me I would have turned around and smacked her back. B**** slap baby.
I still don't understand why parents allowed their children to be beaten.
I am so confused.
What is this crazy cult like hold they have over people where they can abuse your child and the parent does not do anything?
If someone hit my kids, oh so confused.

[wombat2u2004]

What is this crazy cult like hold they have over people where they can abuse your child and the parent does not do anything?

It's called "FEAR"

[smokey the elder]

Along with the instinct stuff (a couple of pages ago) I forgot to put in the whole power-over-others aspect. This is gender-independent and may come out in men as more sexual abuse, and in women as physical abuse. I don't think kids should be coddled in school; they should also not be subjected to such terrible abuses of any type. It's bullying, pure and simple.

[RICHARD]

Along with the instinct stuff (a couple of pages ago) I forgot to put in the whole power-over-others aspect. This is gender-independent and may come out in men as more sexual abuse, and in women as physical abuse. I don't think kids should be coddled in school; they should also not be subjected to such terrible abuses of any type. It's bullying, pure and simple.

You hit on an important distinction!

Not to get too graphic or into detail? I took a sex ed class and during it the subject of rape was discussed. I cannot remember the way it came up, but 'body parts as weapons' was a topic. Women, don't have that option.

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I don't think parents send their kids to school to be abused or beaten.

But, that being said? I think that many parents do not view their responsibility as parents, seriously. They want to be a kid's friend and have not instilled into their kids that, when they screw up, there is a 'price' to be had.

LOL, Time Outs just leave the kid pi$$ed off he has to sit there and if they are the little -------s they act like?
THey are just seething and planning their next hateful actions. Kinda like a the Kiddie Al Quida Brigade.

A good swat (One, not two, three or pound the crap out of them) is just a reminder that certain behavior is NOT ACCEPTABLE.

Lately, parents do not or cannot apply the appropriate level of consequence to a child who misbehaves.

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Parents have lost that edge.

"I am going to crack you across the arse because you -fill in the blank-
This is your penalty!"

(If your/the parent was righteous? They would toss in the disclaimer, IT HURTS ME TO DO THIS!)

You were dealt with in a controlled manner and that was the end of the trauma. I truly believe that there has to be some kind of 'enlightenment' or consequence for kids.

Remember that speeding/parking ticket you got and how ridiculous you sounded as you cursed the heritage of everyone from the guy that wrote it, to the clerk that will open the envelope with your check inside? You got spanked, you vented, you paid. End of Story.


I had mentioned a gal I knew, whose daughter was a 12 years old and was watching porn, smoking, stole the mom's car, almost torched the apartrment they were living in....

The woman thought that the girl was her friend and refused to put the hammer down.

The funniest part? The teen was a hellion at school -she had begun to fight with the niece of the woman who was on the school board and that moron, because of her office, came to threaten the mom about her child.

LOL, both those little twerps had a free pass because the "adult/parental units" were too effing stupid to teach the kids how to act in school and towards each other.

All that being said? There are thousands of teachers who do their jobs competently and justly.

We only hear about the idiots and abusers.

Occasionally? there is the teacher who tapes a kid's mouth shut and the parent's go ballistic because someone is tired of your evil spawn's running at the mouth and being rude, crude and just plain evil.

Why are you getting upset at this when you put up with the same, may worse, attitude at home?

You can't handle you brat at home and expect someone to do your job?

Adult, please!

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Marinate on this one?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp=36146872?


Watch the second clip about the "Nazi" comment made by a parent who's child screwed up.

This AH parent refuses to accept the fact that her kid is a little trouble maker.

Moron.

[Medusa]

Yes, it isn't just Catholic schools. I and others in my class had the misfortune of having several abusive teachers throughout grade and high school but especially grade (sorry, elementary) school. Remember the Little Rascals and the teacher w/her hair pulled back in a tight bun, black rimmed glasses, long dresses and 'grandma' shoes? I had several teachers like that and just as mean as they were unattractive. They all, w/o exception, hit their students, sometimes on the fanny, sometimes w/a pointer, yardstick or paddle, sometimes on the back of the head w/the hand but most times they'd come up behind us and box our ears. There was also a lot of hair pulling, especially of the girls. As a result, not a few kids wound up w/hearing problems. One teacher loved to hit kids across the knuckles w/a ruler or a deck of cards. Screaming at kids until we were nervous wrecks was nearly a daily occurrence. On top of that, girls had their skirts measured to be sure that they weren't too short, boys always had to have shirts tucked in, no jeans or Tshirts or hair ornaments were allowed. Girls were taught to curtsy, boys to bow and we'd better not forget. We were taught manners, how to dance the waltz and square dance, table manners and all of the old songs that most kids would never recognize today. No point in telling parents; they'd just say 'if you get in trouble in school, you'll be in worse trouble when you get home'. Then when we reached high school, we had to dodge the teachers who were gropers. (Sexy Sam the Science Man comes to mind. God help a girl if she went into the ladies room alone.)

I made up my mind when I had my son that no one was going to mistreat him and get away w/it, not a teacher, not a school mate, not a play mate, nobody. Hurt my kid and you're in deep doo doo. I made mistakes as a parent, to be sure, but it wasn't for lack of trying to do the right thing. If a teacher stepped beyond his/her boundaries and tried to take over my role as parent, s/he regretted it. I didn't tolerate any nonsense from my son and he knew better than to misbehave in school. If he did anyhow and he 'fessed up to it, he apologized to the teacher, accepted reasonable punishment/consequences from the teacher and then I handled it at home but those occasions were rare. Usually it was b/c he couldn't stop talking and fidgeting and so earned the nickname Jitterbug. He's still that way and he's the love of my life.

If kids learn at home what is appropriate and what isn't, if/when they encounter abuse of any kind at school or elsewhere, it'll be much easier for them to go to their parents about it, especially if they know that they're loved, respected and will not be ridiculed, laughed at or dismissed at home.

[wombat2u2004]

If kids learn at home what is appropriate and what isn't, if/when they encounter abuse of any kind at school or elsewhere, it'll be much easier for them to go to their parents about it, especially if they know that they're loved, respected and will not be ridiculed, laughed at or dismissed at home.

That is very true.

[blue]

30 or 40 year old sexual abuse stories really are only good for one thing arent they? An attack on the Church, and an attack on the Pope. As a badly behaving Catholic for most of my life even I can see these stories for what they are an attack on religion.

[wombat2u2004]

30 or 40 year old sexual abuse stories really are only good for one thing arent they? An attack on the Church, and an attack on the Pope. As a badly behaving Catholic for most of my life even I can see these stories for what they are an attack on religion.

If child abuse is religion....then yes it is.

[chocolatepuppy]

30 or 40 year old sexual abuse stories really are only good for one thing arent they? An attack on the Church, and an attack on the Pope. As a badly behaving Catholic for most of my life even I can see these stories for what they are an attack on religion.

Agreed. I'm Catholic and don't agree with all aspects of my religion. (some of you made some good points against the Catholic Church.) I still think the press is having a hey day with the Catholics.

[Marigold2]

More info is coming out about the Pope being aware of sex abuse against children and sweeping it under the rug. My question to those Catholics is

Why should he not be arrested and charged as anyone else would be and why are the priests not charged with a crime?

That is the question. Can anyone give me an honest answser?

This has nothing to do with the church itself. This has to do with men who sexually abuse children.

Doesn't matter if you are a policemen, firemen, plumber, carpet cleaner, TV repair man, landscaper, dentist, truck driver, business owner, priest or pope.

If you sexually abuse a child you should go to jail for a very long time if not for life.

Warren Jeffs hid behind his religon and he is in jail.

If a dentist abuses a child and he says to the police, " well priets do it and it is sweep under the rug, why can't I do it, I am Catholic as well?"

What would your answer be to this? He is a man, he is Catholic, he abused a child. Nothing else matters, does it?

[chocolatepuppy]

What would your answer be to this? He is a man, he is Catholic, he abused a child. Nothing else matters, does it?

I think ANYONE who abuses a child, or covers up knowledge of it, should be arrested and charged, no matter WHO they are.

[RICHARD]

http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article...ity%2F19425428

The school should have beat the kid, the mother and the father.

This is the kind of BS that should never happen-making stupid kids into martyrs.

I would have kicked the crap out of my kid and told the judge to triple the sentence.

Moron.

[blue]

If child abuse is religion....then yes it is.

If these stories and cases where from the last 15 or 20 years I would say there is something to the anti Catholic hysteria in the news and with the public. But 30 and 40 year old cases and stories, not so much.

This day in age the Church is the most watched organization when it come to pedofilia. Its like the Ausies are the most watched when it comes to the loving of sheep.

[blue]

More info is coming out about the Pope being aware of sex abuse against children and sweeping it under the rug.

My question to you is...

Where are the links to the info?

Why should he not be arrested and charged as anyone else would be and why are the priests not charged with a crime?

The Pope is not a US citizen, you really think the Vatican Police Department is going to arrest the Pope to be charged?

This has nothing to do with the church itself. This has to do with men who sexually abuse children.

Doesn't matter if you are a policemen, firemen, plumber, carpet cleaner, TV repair man, landscaper, dentist, truck driver, business owner, priest or pope.

Priests and the clergy are far more scrutinized then policemen, firemen, plumber, carpet cleaner, TV repair man, landscaper, dentist, truck driver, business owners, so why is it teachers and not priests are in the news for recent sexual abuse of minors?

If you sexually abuse a child you should go to jail for a very long time if not for life.

If you sexually abuse a child you forfeit your life in my eyes.

Warren Jeffs hid behind his religon and he is in jail.

Where he should be in our society. Im not so understanding.

If a dentist abuses a child and he says to the police, " well priets do it and it is sweep under the rug, why can't I do it, I am Catholic as well?"

What would your answer be to this? He is a man, he is Catholic, he abused a child. Nothing else matters, does it?

If "The Catholic Priests do it why cant I" was a viable defense why are so many teachers and cops going to jail and not priests?

My answer to anybody convicted of abusing a child? Its a ten cent solution.