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    Yes, it isn't just Catholic schools. I and others in my class had the misfortune of having several abusive teachers throughout grade and high school but especially grade (sorry, elementary) school. Remember the Little Rascals and the teacher w/her hair pulled back in a tight bun, black rimmed glasses, long dresses and 'grandma' shoes? I had several teachers like that and just as mean as they were unattractive. They all, w/o exception, hit their students, sometimes on the fanny, sometimes w/a pointer, yardstick or paddle, sometimes on the back of the head w/the hand but most times they'd come up behind us and box our ears. There was also a lot of hair pulling, especially of the girls. As a result, not a few kids wound up w/hearing problems. One teacher loved to hit kids across the knuckles w/a ruler or a deck of cards. Screaming at kids until we were nervous wrecks was nearly a daily occurrence. On top of that, girls had their skirts measured to be sure that they weren't too short, boys always had to have shirts tucked in, no jeans or Tshirts or hair ornaments were allowed. Girls were taught to curtsy, boys to bow and we'd better not forget. We were taught manners, how to dance the waltz and square dance, table manners and all of the old songs that most kids would never recognize today. No point in telling parents; they'd just say 'if you get in trouble in school, you'll be in worse trouble when you get home'. Then when we reached high school, we had to dodge the teachers who were gropers. (Sexy Sam the Science Man comes to mind. God help a girl if she went into the ladies room alone.)

    I made up my mind when I had my son that no one was going to mistreat him and get away w/it, not a teacher, not a school mate, not a play mate, nobody. Hurt my kid and you're in deep doo doo. I made mistakes as a parent, to be sure, but it wasn't for lack of trying to do the right thing. If a teacher stepped beyond his/her boundaries and tried to take over my role as parent, s/he regretted it. I didn't tolerate any nonsense from my son and he knew better than to misbehave in school. If he did anyhow and he 'fessed up to it, he apologized to the teacher, accepted reasonable punishment/consequences from the teacher and then I handled it at home but those occasions were rare. Usually it was b/c he couldn't stop talking and fidgeting and so earned the nickname Jitterbug. He's still that way and he's the love of my life.

    If kids learn at home what is appropriate and what isn't, if/when they encounter abuse of any kind at school or elsewhere, it'll be much easier for them to go to their parents about it, especially if they know that they're loved, respected and will not be ridiculed, laughed at or dismissed at home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    If kids learn at home what is appropriate and what isn't, if/when they encounter abuse of any kind at school or elsewhere, it'll be much easier for them to go to their parents about it, especially if they know that they're loved, respected and will not be ridiculed, laughed at or dismissed at home.
    That is very true.


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    30 or 40 year old sexual abuse stories really are only good for one thing arent they? An attack on the Church, and an attack on the Pope. As a badly behaving Catholic for most of my life even I can see these stories for what they are an attack on religion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blue View Post
    30 or 40 year old sexual abuse stories really are only good for one thing arent they? An attack on the Church, and an attack on the Pope. As a badly behaving Catholic for most of my life even I can see these stories for what they are an attack on religion.
    If child abuse is religion....then yes it is.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wombat2u2004 View Post
    If child abuse is religion....then yes it is.
    If these stories and cases where from the last 15 or 20 years I would say there is something to the anti Catholic hysteria in the news and with the public. But 30 and 40 year old cases and stories, not so much.

    This day in age the Church is the most watched organization when it come to pedofilia. Its like the Ausies are the most watched when it comes to the loving of sheep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blue View Post
    If these stories and cases where from the last 15 or 20 years I would say there is something to the anti Catholic hysteria in the news and with the public.
    Anti-Catholic hysteria ????
    You're missing the main point here Blu.
    ANYONE.....who is guilty of child sexual abuse, or attempting to hide such individuals should be subjected to the full extent of the law. And that goes for the Pope, the clergy, fireman, police....whoever !!!!! Period.
    We have laws...and those laws are in place for very good reasons.
    Is the Pope above the Common Law ???? He's just a man. Or do you think he is more than a man ???? And why do you think that Papal Law should be different from the law that we the people must be subjected to ???
    I don't care a damn if it's the Catholic church or the local pizza shop, if the bosses of those two establishments are guilty of such a crime, then they must face the same laws.
    Anti-Catholic hysteria ???? What for ???? Nobody I know fears the Catholic church !!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by wombat2u2004 View Post
    Anti-Catholic hysteria ????
    You're missing the main point here Blu.
    ANYONE.....who is guilty of child sexual abuse, or attempting to hide such individuals should be subjected to the full extent of the law. And that goes for the Pope, the clergy, fireman, police....whoever !!!!! Period.
    We have laws...and those laws are in place for very good reasons.
    Is the Pope above the Common Law ???? He's just a man. Or do you think he is more than a man ???? And why do you think that Papal Law should be different from the law that we the people must be subjected to ???
    I don't care a damn if it's the Catholic church or the local pizza shop, if the bosses of those two establishments are guilty of such a crime, then they must face the same laws.
    Anti-Catholic hysteria ???? What for ???? Nobody I know fears the Catholic church !!!!
    You seem to have missed my point.

    The fast fix for pedofiles is a $0.10 solution, be it the Pope or Obama's Education Czar. Speaking of Obama's Education Czar, we could probably just go Soviet style on the members of NAMBLA.

    All of these 30 or 40 year old stories of clergy sexual abuse is all about attacking the Church.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blue View Post
    This day in age the Church is the most watched organization when it come to pedofilia.
    I wonder why ????


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    Quote Originally Posted by blue View Post
    Its like the Ausies are the most watched when it comes to the loving of sheep.
    That's exactly right.
    Just like you inbred rednecks who are the butt of our jokes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wombat2u2004 View Post
    I wonder why ????
    There is a good reason for it given their history. The problem is all of the teachers and other authority figures slipping through the cracks because they are "trusted".

    Quote Originally Posted by wombat2u2004 View Post
    That's exactly right.
    Just like you inbred rednecks who are the butt of our jokes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wombat2u2004 View Post
    That's exactly right.
    Just like you inbred rednecks who are the butt of our jokes.

    Quote Originally Posted by blue
    Its like the Ausies are the most watched when it comes to the loving of sheep.
    Oh dear!

    It still astounds me how we have to hate on each other's countries so much on this forum.

    Now, before I get back to my afternoon tea and biscuits and croquet...

    Blue, I did find myself agreeing with the issue you raised about anti-Catholicism. I was quite surprised, when following this thread, about some of the choice words against them. My country has quite a history of falling out with Catholics , but I've yet to experience the same level of venom I've sensed here with the religious folk I know personally.

    I think there is corruption in most religious sects, and as usual they ruin it for all the decent people.

    It is fair to say, though, that everyone in this thread is agreed that these priests cannot, and should not be able to, hide behind the shroud of their faith and should be tried and punished as anyone else would. That is the real cause for outcry in this issue, not the Catholic way of living.

    I think I may have posted a thread about it a long while ago; there was a vicar in my area who was convicted for downloading indecent images of kids. I don't know why I didn't think of it before. I don't remember exactly what type of Church he belonged to, but it was certainly not a Catholic one.

    Back to the marriage issue - he had it all. Wife, kids, nice house, lots of friends. One day, his son discovers the images. Frustrated, or just wrongly wired in the head?

    These people turn up in all walks of life, just when it occurs in a religious group, where we expect everyone to be perfect, it feels all the more damning.

    This thread should not be used as a chance for a pop at the Catholics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue View Post
    30 or 40 year old sexual abuse stories really are only good for one thing arent they? An attack on the Church, and an attack on the Pope. As a badly behaving Catholic for most of my life even I can see these stories for what they are an attack on religion.
    Agreed. I'm Catholic and don't agree with all aspects of my religion. (some of you made some good points against the Catholic Church.) I still think the press is having a hey day with the Catholics.
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    More info is coming out about the Pope being aware of sex abuse against children and sweeping it under the rug. My question to those Catholics is

    Why should he not be arrested and charged as anyone else would be and why are the priests not charged with a crime?

    That is the question. Can anyone give me an honest answser?

    This has nothing to do with the church itself. This has to do with men who sexually abuse children.

    Doesn't matter if you are a policemen, firemen, plumber, carpet cleaner, TV repair man, landscaper, dentist, truck driver, business owner, priest or pope.

    If you sexually abuse a child you should go to jail for a very long time if not for life.

    Warren Jeffs hid behind his religon and he is in jail.

    If a dentist abuses a child and he says to the police, " well priets do it and it is sweep under the rug, why can't I do it, I am Catholic as well?"

    What would your answer be to this? He is a man, he is Catholic, he abused a child. Nothing else matters, does it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marigold2 View Post
    What would your answer be to this? He is a man, he is Catholic, he abused a child. Nothing else matters, does it?
    I think ANYONE who abuses a child, or covers up knowledge of it, should be arrested and charged, no matter WHO they are.
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    http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article...ity%2F19425428

    The school should have beat the kid, the mother and the father.

    This is the kind of BS that should never happen-making stupid kids into martyrs.

    I would have kicked the crap out of my kid and told the judge to triple the sentence.

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