Sex abuse in church

[Karen]

Further.....how come that sexual abuse DOES NOT happen here where I come from ???? My city is full of private colleges, both male and female, in fact my daughter attends one of them. No abuse here. But then again....all of the teachers and dorm staff that I know, are all married !!!!!

So where are all these whackoes ??? All the sexual abusers ????
None here !!!!
But then again....they're married, probably happily, have families of their own.
No problems.

Just because you don't hear about it doesn't mean it doesn't happen, Wom. Sad to say, where there are enough human beings, things can happen.

http://www.clergyabuseaustralia.org/

[wombat2u2004]

Just because you don't hear about it doesn't mean it doesn't happen, Wom. Sad to say, where there are enough human beings, things can happen.

http://www.clergyabuseaustralia.org/

I agree.
But if for instance, a teacher in my daughters college was found guilty of such behaviour, then that person would be probably locked up and the key thrown away. And I'm sure the college and the staff would not support that individual in any manner.
But if it was a Catholic institution.....they'd remove him from my town and send him to your town.
Isn't the whole point of the matter to be rid of these people out of the community ???

[Marigold2]

Yes John that is the idea. Lock them up to keep our children safe. The pope should go to prison for his part in this. Wearing a robe and a cross doesn't give you free reign to abuse children. He needs to go to jail.

I agree.
But if for instance, a teacher in my daughters college was found guilty of such behaviour, then that person would be probably locked up and the key thrown away. And I'm sure the college and the staff would not support that individual in any manner.
But if it was a Catholic institution.....they'd remove him from my town and send him to your town.
Isn't the whole point of the matter to be rid of these people out of the community ???

[smokey the elder]

I don't think a priest who commits ANY crime should be sheltered by the Church. They should be bound to the law(s) of the land.

IMO, raised Protestant, now Pagan, I think this business of celibacy among the clergy of the Catholic Church is inhuman and inhumane. This is not how human beings are built. The survival drives (hunger and sex) are among the strongest in any animal, Homo sapiens sapiens included. Suppress either of these and drastic consequences can result!

[wombat2u2004]

I don't think a priest who commits ANY crime should be sheltered by the Church. They should be bound to the law(s) of the land.

IMO, raised Protestant, now Pagan, I think this business of celibacy among the clergy of the Catholic Church is inhuman and inhumane. This is not how human beings are built. The survival drives (hunger and sex) are among the strongest in any animal, Homo sapiens sapiens included. Suppress either of these and drastic consequences can result!

Bang on old mate....bang on !!!! This is what I have been saying all along.

[pomtzu]

Bang on old mate....bang on !!!! This is what I have been saying all along.

Ditto!!!!

[RICHARD]

Bang on old mate....bang on !!!! This is what I have been saying all along.

Maybe not 'bang on'?

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I had to 'laugh' this morning because one of my favorite programs intergrated a story line with as priest as one of the anatagonists.

He took confession from another character and it was then it hit me.

Confession is one of those kinda rituals that is supposed to absolve the sinner of all sin.

Think of three small closets next to each other, the priest sits in the middle and can open a little window that allows the people in the outside boxes to state their 'transgressions' -I love that word - get an absolution with a penalty from the priest and every thing is reset.


You have to do one main prayer and a repeat two others for as many times as a the priest sees fit.

LOL, I'd love to see the 'penalty sheet" that he reads from.

After you finish the penalty phase, you can go Frack Off again, the meter is at zero.

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The priest is supposed to rep the BIG GUY and poses as a go-between to insure god hears you....

So, with that kind of system in place, what's the big deal?

He goes to another priest, cops to his love of little boys, gets his penalty and goes on his merry way......Not only that, it used to be that the priest was supposedly sworn to secrecy-so if you went to him with a set of sins like cheating on your wife with 14 women-no one would ever find out.

The parents of a molested child would probably go complain to the parish first.

The parish gets the drift, the priest confesses and gets moved away from the crime scene and everything is peachy.

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You really cannot blame people who have god on their side.

[Cataholic]

IMO, raised Protestant, now Pagan, I think this business of celibacy among the clergy of the Catholic Church is inhuman and inhumane. This is not how human beings are built. The survival drives (hunger and sex) are among the strongest in any animal, Homo sapiens sapiens included. Suppress either of these and drastic consequences can result!

If this is so, how come we don't read about this same type of thing about nuns?

Further, while I have no studies to point to, I have read enough articles in the papers/online to realize that all molestation is not done by Catholic priests. Sadly, it is often times a member of one's own extended family.

I just don't buy the 'I am not gettin' any, so I must now go molest a child". It is deviant behavior, not a result of marital deprivation.

[Medusa]

If this is so, how come we don't read about this same type of thing about nuns?

Further, while I have no studies to point to, I have read enough articles in the papers/online to realize that all molestation is not done by Catholic priests. Sadly, it is often times a member of one's own extended family.

I just don't buy the 'I am not gettin' any, so I must now go molest a child". It is deviant behavior, not a result of marital deprivation.

AMEN and SO MOTE IT BE!

[Catherinedana]

If this is so, how come we don't read about this same type of thing about nuns?

I was raised Catholic but now have moved into my own realm of religious freedom as an adult. Fortunately, my mother was not devout and I was not forced to go to a Catholic school. While the nuns have not been accused of sexual abuse, I have heard from many family members and friends who attended Catholic school about the cruelty that they faced in the hands of the nuns. Beatings, pulling of hair, vicious verbal abuse, bestowing a derogatory nickname on a child and having all the others call her by it, tripping students walking up the classroom aisle so that they fall and everyone laughs (I heard this one a few times! Seems to be a nun favorite practical joke.

My cousin, who admittedly was a problem child was beaten every day one week by her nun-teacher. She told her mother, who of course was concerned, so mom went to visit the nun-teacher. Nun told mother that E. was a bit of a character, a bit of a trial, but the class and Nun loved her dearly for who she was. Nun would not have considered laying a hand on her! Needless to say, my cousin got a beating from her dad for lying about the nun. Yikes!!

My ex-husband is from Ireland and he attended school run by the Christian Brothers. The boys were abused so badly with beatings and verbal abuse that many of them find themselves damaged still to this day. Many of my ex's problems with self-esteem and communications issues appear to stem from his days in a "Christian/Catholic" school. He had big ears as a child and he said that one day, he was running in the yard and one of the Brothers picked him up by the ears to yell into his face. Ah, there's christian charity for ya!

I did not want to enter this repartee until I saw the remark about the nuns. I myself was screamed at (I mean S C R E A M E D!!! at) by a nun when I was at catachism getting ready to receive confirmation. I was a very shy child and was devistated to be in this position in front of all the other children (I think I dropped a book on the floor, if I remember correctly). I went home hysterical and told my mother what happened and that I did not want to go back. She said she was fine with that and I have been on a different path since that day.

I'm sure that there are folks who have had positive experiences within the Catholic church. I am not one of them.

[RICHARD]

I'm sure that there are folks who have had positive experiences within the Catholic church. I am not one of them.

*raises hand*

Sister Mary Torquemada was everywhere.

Priests took your innocence, Nuns took you to the ground.

Now, I'll say this and only the people who have experienced it will understand that it's not sexist.

There were a few nuns out there that were some screwed up biatches.

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I saw one kid in out class, who had bit my best friend over a dodge ball, get pummeled..

The nun, with her left hand, grabbed the kid by his upper left arm.

She had a wooden pointer in her right hand and proceeded to hit the kid on the back of his thighs/rear with it. As he tried to get away they both spun in a few circles with the nun flailing away the whole time.

It wasn't abuse. It was torture for the kid and the rest of us - She beat the eff out of him in front of the whole classroom.

I remember looking out the window because it was so fricking brutal..

Yeah, he bit someone, but maybe a swat was more in line?

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You know, the best religion may be Scientology after all, those people are to brain dead to start any kind of war.

[kokopup]

Richard

The priest is supposed to rep the BIG GUY and poses as a go-between to insure god hears you....

So, with that kind of system in place, what's the big deal?

He goes to another priest, cops to his love of little boys, gets his penalty and goes on his merry way......Not only that, it used to be that the priest was supposedly sworn to secrecy-so if you went to him with a set of sins like cheating on your wife with 14 women-no one would ever find out.

The parents of a molested child would probably go complain to the parish first.

The parish gets the drift, the priest confesses and gets moved away from the crime scene and everything is peachy.

You really cannot blame people who have god on their side.

I know this is not the religion thread but the fact that Rome has set the Pope up as Father on earth, and Priest can mediate for you to God goes against all Bible writings.

JOHN 14:6 (in various versions)

King James Bible
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

American King James Version
Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me.

American Standard Version
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life: no one cometh unto the Father, but by me.



This is reading on the subject of Rome putting itself above GOD


http://www.ianpaisley.org/tiara.asp

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[wombat2u2004]

My ex-husband is from Ireland and he attended school run by the Christian Brothers. The boys were abused so badly with beatings and verbal abuse that many of them find themselves damaged still to this day. Many of my ex's problems with self-esteem and communications issues appear to stem from his days in a "Christian/Catholic" school.

That is exactly the same story my wife has. Her first husband was Irish with the same upbringing.
He was a real looney toon.....he used to get drunk, sit on her, holding her arms to the floor with his knees, and slap her about the face.
Then I came along....and it was bye bye time for Mr. Potato Head and his screwed up life.