Sex abuse in church

[lizbud]

I may be wrong (it wouldn't be the 1st time), but I believe the point that Wom is trying to make, is that if priests were allowed to marry and have a relationship as such, that there would be less of this abuse. Yes - there are pedophiles, married and single, from all walks of life, and unfortunately it will continue, but I really believe that there would be a lot less among the clergy, if they were permitted to marry. And not only that, but perhaps more men of higher moral standards would join the priesthood if this was allowed.
Just stating my opinion - not looking for a confrontation!

No problem, I understand.

I really don't think being married, or not ,has anything to do with being
a pedophile. The clergy don't abuse children because they can't marry.

[Karen]

No problem, I understand.

I really don't think being married, or not ,has anything to do with being
a pedophile. The clergy don't abuse children because they can't marry.

No, but pedophiles may gravitate toward jobs that have to do with children, sadly.

[lizbud]

No, but pedophiles may gravitate toward jobs that have to do with children, sadly.

Now, that could be true. These people who abuse children don't have
"normal" sexual desires for heterosexual relationships. They are deviates
from the normal.

[wombat2u2004]

Now, that could be true. These people who abuse children don't have
"normal" sexual desires for heterosexual relationships. They are deviates
from the normal.

No no no....they DO have normal sexual desires. They are the same as everyone else. But that changes because of circumstance.
They cannot have a normal sexual realationship, so therefore they take the only way out, and have an abnormal sexual relationship.

[Catty1]

But Wom - isn't that like saying the pedophiles among us can choose to marry, and therefore won't prey on children?

I think the one point made was that the Catholic clergy is attractive to pedophiles because they don't have to hide behind a marriage...and they have a lot of access to their victims.

I agree that there likely are affairs of all kinds in the Catholic church, but I bet pedophilia is of a higher incidence than in other churches, or the public at large.

Churches that welcome pastors with families will attract that element. Less so for pedophiles!

[Marigold2]

Why are priets not allowed to marry? The truth will surprise many, it's not because they are married to God and are suppose to be pure of thought. Hundreds of years ago priets were allowed to marry, I believe 39 Popes were.
It had to do with the church wanting to keep more money for themselves and not wanting to support the priest and his many kids, mistress and more kids. Money, money, money it's all about the money.

[king2005]

Why are priets not allowed to marry? The truth will surprise many, it's not because they are married to God and are suppose to be pure of thought. Hundreds of years ago priets were allowed to marry, I believe 39 Popes were.
It had to do with the church wanting to keep more money for themselves and not wanting to support the priest and his many kids, mistress and more kids. Money, money, money it's all about the money.

I hope I don't upset anyone with "my personal opinion"

Todays Church (I cannot speak for the past as I HONESTLY don't know it) is nothing more then a money hungry Cult. Thats how I see it.

I am no longer religious as it was forced down my throat by crazy teachers & crazy church goers. The ONLY person who was on my side was Fr. Sebastien. He never tried to cram it down my throat, never got mad if I didn't pay, pray or believe. He said the ONLY thing that was important, was for me to be a good moral person... & to this day, that is the rule I live by.

I am a strong believer that the lack of marriage plays a huge part in the molestation/rape issues. How many priests have been caught for paying hookers? I've heard of several, how many aren't caught? ALL mammals have a huge drive for sexual relations, esp males. Its all related to hormones.

Take elephants for example. Take an intact male & keep him penned up alone from the females.. What dose he do out of sexual frustration? He humps anything he can get on top of (cars, toys, different species, etc)..

Horses will do the same thing
Dogs will do the same thing
Monkeys & Apes will do the same things
& so on...

Human males are no different. After a while their sexual frustrations are going to cause them to snap & do crazy things.. which in our society is illegal.

Maybe neutering (not a V.) Priests is the way to go. It generally solves other male mammals from getting sexually frustrated, as there are NO hormones to cause it. Seriously... What do Priests need them for anyways?

[wombat2u2004]

But Wom - isn't that like saying the pedophiles among us can choose to marry, and therefore won't prey on children?

I think the one point made was that the Catholic clergy is attractive to pedophiles because they don't have to hide behind a marriage...and they have a lot of access to their victims.

I agree that there likely are affairs of all kinds in the Catholic church, but I bet pedophilia is of a higher incidence than in other churches, or the public at large.

Churches that welcome pastors with families will attract that element. Less so for pedophiles!

Well yeah, I suppose that church does attract pedo's......but to what extent ???? Is every priest that ends up a pedo have a past as a pedo ???
I doubt it. I suppose some had that in mind when they first entered the church, but I would bet that would be a very low percentage of them.
Most of those priests entered their training as teenagers. Usually because of family expectations that to be good Catholics, one of their children be it male or female enter the church. If that is the case, then why would they have been pedo's then ???
And isn't it true that most perversions need to time to grow and be nutured ??? I mean if mummy and daddy EXPECTED their son to give his life to the church, and then took him along as a 16-17 year old, and shoved him into the local convent where he was sexually abused by his superiors, how long do you figure it would take before he knew that the only way he could get sex, was in the same manner ????
I believe that it is circumstance. These people can't lead an ordinary sex life, so they must seek it secretly, and what is a better opportunity than to take advantage of those who won't speak up ???

[pomtzu]

No problem, I understand.

I really don't think being married, or not ,has anything to do with being
a pedophile. The clergy don't abuse children because they can't marry.

But I think that if they were allowed a healthy sexual relationship with a wife, they would be less likely to gravitate towards children. I'm rather certain that most don't start out or intend to abuse children, but that it is done out of sexual frustration, it escalates, and there you are - a monster is born. I'm in no way defending their actions - they are monsters and need to be dealt with accordingly. I just think there would be less of them if the Church would change their rules and requirements for priests.



Yikes - and I'm the one that doesn't like to debate politics or religion!!!