Dogs in stores

[pomtzu]

Oh sorry I meant store owner then dog owner...I thought you were talking about the store owner.

And yes your opinion does matter, because I'm one of those 'irresponsible' people that brings dogs into stores......I want to know exactly how it makes me irresponsible?

Because OTHERS have let their dogs pee in stores? Why should *I* take them blame for that?! Why shouldn't I be allowed to bring my well-behaved dogs in a store? Its the same thing like with bully breeds, because others aren't responsible with their dogs and bites and whatnot have happened, then others who are responsible have to deal with other people's mistakes in the sake of having their breed banned or pts or not allowed in their home/apartment. Have you seen the picture of all the 'pit bulls' that have been pts, because they've been banned? And what have them done wrong? NOTHING, but be someone's beloved pet and be born the 'wrong' breed.

Seems silly to me to blame everyone, when not everyone is irresponsible with their dog. It should be on a case-by-case, not broad judgement that people who bring their dogs in stores don't clean up after or whatever the case is.

Lets ban kids from stores while we're at it. I've seen more store mishaps from a kid than a dog my whole lifetime. Speaking of I never seen a dog break a store's item or messed up the shoe rack in a shoe store after I just rearranged it, grr lol minor rant there. I mean because a couple of kids are unruly and their parents allow them, should then everyone else with kids suffer the consequences? Doesn't seem fair now does it?

As I said - what I say is my opinion.

Irresponsible - because you (or anybody) is thinking of yourself/themselves, and not the safety and comfort of the patrons who do not bring their dogs in a store. People go to stores to shop. Why do dogs go to stores? Certainly not to shop - only because their owner takes them along. And yes - children go to stores but not to shop. They go with their parents or another adult because they cannot be left at home. You can leave your dog home but choose not to, so doggie tags along only because his owner wants him there. Even when I go to Petsmart, my dogs ride in a cart and do not walk beside me. I would rather be safe than sorry. And yes - I do realize that not all dogs are of a size to ride in a cart!

No one said you should take the blame for someone else's dog. If you were to sit your well behaved dog next to one not so well behaved, could I tell the difference just by looking at them. Of course not! Can a store owner tell the difference? Of course not! It would be next to impossible to judge if the dog is store friendly, and could not be done on a case by case basis. And I'm not singling out a particular breed either. I've come across a couple of very loveable pits (in my limited exposure to them), and some very nasty and ill tempered little dogs. The size or the breed is not the issue.

Perhaps it's my age showing here, and I'm not in tune to the changing times. I know that I'm a whole lot older than most here. I was brought up in a different generation that had a different set of values and a lot more respect for others. Somehow, those values have changed, and us old dinosaurs haven't. So I will stick to my beliefs on issues, but I harbour no hard feelings toward those who think differently than I do.

Just remember, there is usually no right or wrong, or black or white, but somewhere in between those extremes, there can be a happy medium.

[Candy317]

As I said - what I say is my opinion.

Irresponsible - because you (or anybody) is thinking of yourself/themselves, and not the safety and comfort of the patrons who do not bring their dogs in a store. People go to stores to shop. Why do dogs go to stores? Certainly not to shop - only because their owner takes them along. And yes - children go to stores but not to shop. They go with their parents or another adult because they cannot be left at home. You can leave your dog home but choose not to, so doggie tags along only because his owner wants him there. Even when I go to Petsmart, my dogs ride in a cart and do not walk beside me. I would rather be safe than sorry. And yes - I do realize that not all dogs are of a size to ride in a cart!

No one said you should take the blame for someone else's dog. If you were to sit your well behaved dog next to one not so well behaved, could I tell the difference just by looking at them. Of course not! Can a store owner tell the difference? Of course not! It would be next to impossible to judge if the dog is store friendly, and could not be done on a case by case basis. And I'm not singling out a particular breed either. I've come across a couple of very loveable pits (in my limited exposure to them), and some very nasty and ill tempered little dogs. The size or the breed is not the issue.

Perhaps it's my age showing here, and I'm not in tune to the changing times. I know that I'm a whole lot older than most here. I was brought up in a different generation that had a different set of values and a lot more respect for others. Somehow, those values have changed, and us old dinosaurs haven't. So I will stick to my beliefs on issues, but I harbour no hard feelings toward those who think differently than I do.

Just remember, there is usually no right or wrong, or black or white, but somewhere in between those extremes, there can be a happy medium.

I see in no point to even mention pit bulls after saying 'I'm not singling out a particular breed either'...you could of just said I've met very loveable dogs and some nasty dogs. Very contradicting statement there.

I'm not thinking about myself, I'm thinking about my dogs. Socialization and not leaving them bored in the house are two reasons why. As for safety of other people. I have my dogs on a leash of which I'm in FULL control of, that alone is safety for others. As for me I know my dogs would not feel comfortable in a cart (ouchie their paws) nor a tote bag, so thats why I allowed them to walk on a leash, but thats just me and because my dogs like to walk.

You can't tell if a dog is dog park friendly either, but once the dog starts to act up, the owner is asked to leave, same rules should apply in a store setting.

[Aidan]

I don't think I would take my dogs into a store without knowing if I could or not but I do not look down on others who do as long as their dogs are well behaved. I think they are doing it for the right reasons wanting to socialize their dogs and have them out with them at all times. Just makes for an overall more balanced dog, setting them up to be comfortable in all situations.

[Candy317]

I don't think I would take my dogs into a store without knowing if I could or not but I do not look down on others who do as long as their dogs are well behaved. I think they are doing it for the right reasons wanting to socialize their dogs and have them out with them at all times. Just makes for an overall more balanced dog, setting them up to be comfortable in all situations.

Thanks for your post!

[Candy317]

I've even brought my dogs to college with me on a couple of occasions, usually for a presentation, once about dog massage and another of dog therapy. They sat through the whole class, not making one peep, and some students that came in late was suprised when it was time to leave that I had a dog with me the whole time! The dean and everyone in the school loved it when I brought them.

[cassiesmom]

I have 2 thoughts on this.

One, sometimes we have a dog in church because there is a family who is working with a puppy before she goes to helper dog training. She has to be introduced to a variety of situations she may encounter with the person she will eventually be helping, and that includes church. Some people initially got angry when they saw the dog in church, even though she was wearing her training jacket. There was an article in the newsletter, though (written from the dog's point of view) explaining that the family working with the puppy agrees to take the puppy as many places as they can, and that includes church, so please be patient and understanding, and consider the person the puppy may eventually help. There are still a few people who think the puppy ought not to be in church, but I'd say 97% of the people understand why she is there, agree with the decision to bring her, and use her as a teachable moment with children (See the dog wearing the special jacket? Guess what she is learning to do?). Everyone always wants to pet her, so the family teaches about that too - ask first and then you may pet her briefly. She's totally adorable. Once we had a brass ensemble in church, and when they were done playing, she barked! that is the only time she has ever barked in church. The whole congregation laughed and the director said, "Puppy solo!" It was soooooo cute.

The other is this - in Chicago there are some restaurants that have outdoor seating that you can use whether you have a dog with you or not. That way, if you are out with your dog (e.g., at Wiggly Field or walking along the lakefront), you don't have to take her home before you go out to eat. I went to one with some friends and we sat on the patio even though we didn't have a dog with us. It was fun! We struck up conversations with people about their dogs, and learned a lot. Also got lovely doggie kisses afterward The dog people were so friendly that day!

[MonicanHonda]

Aww!!! How cute!!! DOGGY SOLO! I love it.

[Genny]

I don't see anothing wrong w/ taking your dog into a store as long as it's ok w/ the owners/management of the store. I'd think it would be pretty gross if someone carried their dog inside a grocery store or any kind of store w/ food in it for that matter, cause then there would be dog hair all over the place...but someone mentioned carrying their dog inside Lowe's and I don't really see nothing wrong w/ that as long as the people working there are cool w/ it. I've seen people in Lowe's before w/ dogs. They were small dogs...but anyways.. Me, personally, don't ever take my dog in stores. Angel really gets nervous around people and doesn't like it much, so I normally leave her at home unless I'm just running to the gas station or something where I can leave her in the car. The only store I've carried her in is Petco...and she barked her little head off the whole time!! lol...

[Candy317]

As for people who have a problem with dogs being in stores for the matter of fact that they don't like dogs or whatever.....well I personally don't like looking at someone in a store with their pants sagging, but they have every right to shop there, and I have every right to not look or leave the store if it bothers me that greatly.

[pomtzu]

I see in no point to even mention pit bulls after saying 'I'm not singling out a particular breed either'...you could of just said I've met very loveable dogs and some nasty dogs. Very contradicting statement there.

I'm not thinking about myself, I'm thinking about my dogs. Socialization and not leaving them bored in the house are two reasons why. As for safety of other people. I have my dogs on a leash of which I'm in FULL control of, that alone is safety for others. As for me I know my dogs would not feel comfortable in a cart (ouchie their paws) nor a tote bag, so thats why I allowed them to walk on a leash, but thats just me and because my dogs like to walk.

You can't tell if a dog is dog park friendly either, but once the dog starts to act up, the owner is asked to leave, same rules should apply in a store setting.

Since you made reference to the bully breed, I was just going with the flow. I fail to see what is contradictory in what I said. And I don't feel the need to take my dogs to the store to socialize - they get plenty of love and attention and socialization right here at home. They probably enjoy their quiet time when I go shopping and leave them here.

I'm not here to try to change anybody's mind about anything. We all have opinions, just as we all have.......well, you know how that ends.

So this dinosaur is done here, because no matter what I say, there will be a rebuttal and the bantering will go on and on and on............

Again - as I said - it's my opinion and it doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

[Candy317]

Since you made reference to the bully breed, I was just going with the flow. I fail to see what is contradictory in what I said. And I don't feel the need to take my dogs to the store to socialize - they get plenty of love and attention and socialization right here at home. They probably enjoy their quiet time when I go shopping and leave them here.

I'm not here to try to change anybody's mind about anything. We all have opinions, just as we all have.......well, you know how that ends.

So this dinosaur is done here, because no matter what I say, there will be a rebuttal and the bantering will go on and on and on............

Again - as I said - it's my opinion and it doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

I don't see the need for the attitude. And I don't see how they can be socialized in the home.

My dogs have been socialized because of dog parks and outings where they see dogs from chihuahuas to great danes and people from men, children, women, black, asian, tall people, short people ect. I've seen too many dogs having aggression towards men, blacks, big dogs, small dogs, ect because they are not use to seeing them to keep them cooped up in the house.

[*LabLoverKEB*]

I don't understand nor will I ever understand why some people keep brining up posts and threads from the past.... It done. It's over with. Lets leave it alone, and MOVE ON.

[Candy317]

I don't understand nor will I ever understand why some people keep brining up posts and threads from the past.... It done. It's over with. Lets leave it alone, and MOVE ON.

You know you don't have to comment/post if you don't like it Some people actually like a good debate once in a while.

[*LabLoverKEB*]

Ok, whatever. I've stayed out of these so-called 'debates' for as long as I've been a member here.
This is more picking at a subject from a few weeks ago that went into flames... I've tried to stay out. But it's now getting old to log on PT and there is still a argument going on. Let's move on, please.

[Grace]

. . . . Some people actually like a good debate once in a while.

As was mentioned in another post some months back, this is not the PT Debating Board. If debate is what you seek, try this.