Dogs in stores

[Candy317]

Sorry - but I sure don't understand your first sentence here. It's not the owner's responsibility - it's the owners??????

It is the responsibility of the DOG owner to clean up after the dog. If he doesn't and there is a mishap, the store owner would take the hit - not the dog owner.

Sure people are sue happy - I don't agree with it in most instances - but it happens no matter how petty the issue. If I were a store owner, I sure would do everything possible to cover my back side.

BTW - these are my opinions and observations and they obviously aren't worth a hill of beans.

Oh sorry I meant store owner then dog owner...I thought you were talking about the store owner.

And yes your opinion does matter, because I'm one of those 'irresponsible' people that brings dogs into stores......I want to know exactly how it makes me irresponsible?

Because OTHERS have let their dogs pee in stores? Why should *I* take them blame for that?! Why shouldn't I be allowed to bring my well-behaved dogs in a store? Its the same thing like with bully breeds, because others aren't responsible with their dogs and bites and whatnot have happened, then others who are responsible have to deal with other people's mistakes in the sake of having their breed banned or pts or not allowed in their home/apartment. Have you seen the picture of all the 'pit bulls' that have been pts, because they've been banned? And what have them done wrong? NOTHING, but be someone's beloved pet and be born the 'wrong' breed.

Seems silly to me to blame everyone, when not everyone is irresponsible with their dog. It should be on a case-by-case, not broad judgement that people who bring their dogs in stores don't clean up after or whatever the case is. If a dog owner has an unruly dog in a store, then no they shouldn't be allowed in the store, but on the other hand, not everyone is an irresponsible dog owner.

Lets ban kids from stores while we're at it. I've seen more store mishaps from a kid than a dog my whole lifetime. Speaking of I never seen a dog break a store's item or messed up the shoe rack in a shoe store after I just rearranged it, grr lol minor rant there. I mean because a couple of kids are unruly and their parents allow them, should then everyone else with kids suffer the consequences? Doesn't seem fair now does it?

[MonicanHonda]

Ouch for the hands with the german shepherd. That sounds horrible. Ick.That just makes my hands hurt!!!

As for suing, people do go crazy with that! It's insane!

I ONLY use my flexi leash for taking Delta outside to go potty (no fence). Then we go right back up the stairs. (I live in an apartment). If I go for a walk, definitely a regular leash....

YOUR POOR HANDS!!! Haha, that really bothers me. Lol

[Indigo Bully Connection]

Ouch for the hands with the german shepherd. That sounds horrible. Ick.That just makes my hands hurt!!!

As for suing, people do go crazy with that! It's insane!

I ONLY use my flexi leash for taking Delta outside to go potty (no fence). Then we go right back up the stairs. (I live in an apartment). If I go for a walk, definitely a regular leash....

YOUR POOR HANDS!!! Haha, that really bothers me. Lol

Oh yeah, it definitely brought a tear to my eye and made me get sick to my stomach when i finally was able to let go of the leash.

[Asiel]

I have a dog that comes with me everywhere I go. Licenced to do so. But I don't approve of dogs in stores either. Not because they are "just dogs", but because people don't seem to care what their dogs do when in public places. I hesitate to bring my dog into our pet store because all dogs are welcomed there. And what do these dogs do? They pee on the bottom shelves of everything, even on bags of dog food. Some snarl and go for other dogs, the owners let their dogs chew and play with toys from the shelves etc., some have the runs and just let it go all over the floor. This store has clean up stations at every corner but the owners turn a blind eye when their dogs soil inside the store. I can count on one hand the responsible owners that do clean up an accident and you can tell they didn't expect their dog to do this. The others are just oblivious to anything their dogs do and the employees are stuck with cleaning up, they are not allowed to tell the owners to do it for fear of losing customers. I think this really sucks when owners take advantage of stores allowing pets to come in their store.
My vet puts her dogs in a carrier that she pushes, she doesn't let her dogs on the floor for fear of contracting a disease and she told me I should avoid taking mine inside for the same reasons. So in my opinion I vote that dogs shouldn't be allowed in any store if owners are so irresponsible.

[Candy317]

I have a dog that comes with me everywhere I go. Licenced to do so. But I don't approve of dogs in stores either. Not because they are "just dogs", but because people don't seem to care what their dogs do when in public places. I hesitate to bring my dog into our pet store because all dogs are welcomed there. And what do these dogs do? They pee on the bottom shelves of everything, even on bags of dog food. Some snarl and go for other dogs, the owners let their dogs chew and play with toys from the shelves etc., some have the runs and just let it go all over the floor. This store has clean up stations at every corner but the owners turn a blind eye when their dogs soil inside the store. I can count on one hand the responsible owners that do clean up an accident and you can tell they didn't expect their dog to do this. The others are just oblivious to anything their dogs do and the employees are stuck with cleaning up, they are not allowed to tell the owners to do it for fear of losing customers. I think this really sucks when owners take advantage of stores allowing pets to come in their store.
My vet puts her dogs in a carrier that she pushes, she doesn't let her dogs on the floor for fear of contracting a disease and she told me I should avoid taking mine inside for the same reasons. So in my opinion I vote that dogs shouldn't be allowed in any store if owners are so irresponsible.

Thats a very broad generalization in the bold.

And I find what your vet does cruel. Dogs NEED to be walked. I've seen dogs lose muscle mass from being carried a purse all day and never walked. If the dog is vaccinated I don't see the need for fear of diseases. Does it ever be allowed to take a walk down the block? There are much much more diseases on grass and in neighborhoods than the dog would contact in a store. Reminds me of the movie Bubble Boy. A vet office is a different store however.

[Asiel]

Thats a very broad generalization in the bold.

And I find what your vet does cruel. Dogs NEED to be walked. I've seen dogs lose muscle mass from being carried a purse all day and never walked. If the dog is vaccinated I don't see the need for fear of diseases. Does it ever be allowed to take a walk down the block? There are much much more diseases on grass and in neighborhoods than the dog would contact in a store. Reminds me of the movie Bubble Boy. A vet office is a different store however.

Seeing that Monica worked in a pet store and witnessed what I just said I don't think it's a generalized opinion. But it is the general owners that do act like this since everyone in the store states the same opinion.

As for my vet being cruel maybe you should pay attention to what you read. I didn't say she never allowed her dogs to walk or exercise, matter of fact they are agility champs. I said she will not allow her dogs on the floor in this PARTICULAR PET STORE...big difference.

How would you feel if you had a prosthesis and a dog lifted his leg on you? Might just change your mind about ill behaved dogs and owners.

I stand by my opinion because people today just don't care, whether it be ill behaved kids or untrained dogs. I think I must be getting old also because I remember the days where people respected others and their property.

[Candy317]

Seeing that Monica worked in a pet store and witnessed what I just said I don't think it's a generalized opinion. But it is the general owners that do act like this since everyone in the store states the same opinion.

As for my vet being cruel maybe you should pay attention to what you read. I didn't say she never allowed her dogs to walk or exercise, matter of fact they are agility champs. I said she will not allow her dogs on the floor in this PARTICULAR PET STORE...big difference.

How would you feel if you had a prosthesis and a dog lifted his leg on you? Might just change your mind about ill behaved dogs and owners.

I stand by my opinion because people today just don't care, whether it be ill behaved kids or untrained dogs. I think I must be getting old also because I remember the days where people respected others and their property.

That's in a pet store...there is dog pee scent after dog pee scent everywhere. Somewhere were A LOT of dogs go to. In a regular store, I highly doubt it there is much doggy scent where dogs feel the need to mark or make a mess, and if the owner is responsible they have their dogs relieve themselves BEFORE going to any sort of store or not bring a dog with marking/potty issues into a store.

And btw I respect people and their property AND bring my well-behaved dogs to stores

And I've meant plenty of ill-behaved dogs and irresponsible dog owners, yet it will not make an impact on me, because I've also met well-behaved dogs and responsible dog owners, and I would not fault them, because of other people. I can say I've met many yappy small dogs, but doesn't change my mind that not all small dogs (including mines) are NOT yappy.

[Karen]

Seems silly to me to blame everyone, when not everyone is irresponsible with their dog. It should be on a case-by-case, not broad judgement that people who bring their dogs in stores don't clean up after or whatever the case is. If a dog owner has an unruly dog in a store, then no they shouldn't be allowed in the store, but on the other hand, not everyone is an irresponsible dog owner.

Lets ban kids from stores while we're at it. I've seen more store mishaps from a kid than a dog my whole lifetime. Speaking of I never seen a dog break a store's item or messed up the shoe rack in a shoe store after I just rearranged it, grr lol minor rant there. I mean because a couple of kids are unruly and their parents allow them, should then everyone else with kids suffer the consequences? Doesn't seem fair now does it?

The laws are the way they are for a reason. And in general, we all pay for the crimes of the few, living in society with other humans. There are laws about who can drive, who can drink alcohol, etc - because of the irresponsible minority, not the rest of the responsible majority.

And because there are irresponsible pet owners, for example, landlords are allowed to prohibit pet ownership in apartments. It is sad, but that's the way it is, and the same with dogs in stores.

[Candy317]

The laws are the way they are for a reason. And in general, we all pay for the crimes of the few, living in society with other humans. There are laws about who can drive, who can drink alcohol, etc - because of the irresponsible minority, not the rest of the responsible majority.

And because there are irresponsible pet owners, for example, landlords are allowed to prohibit pet ownership in apartments. It is sad, but that's the way it is, and the same with dogs in stores.

I get that, I'm not for bringing a dog were a dog is not allowed. But I want to know how it makes me 'irresponsible' if the dog is allowed in a store.

[MonicanHonda]

I used to work at a pet store. I can't remember the dog type, but this guys dog stopped RIGHT when they walked in and released a mass of diarrhea on our carpets. He just turned around and left without saying anything. We were like, "Dude, we see you. We're going to remember you." >.>

[pomtzu]

Oh sorry I meant store owner then dog owner...I thought you were talking about the store owner.

And yes your opinion does matter, because I'm one of those 'irresponsible' people that brings dogs into stores......I want to know exactly how it makes me irresponsible?

Because OTHERS have let their dogs pee in stores? Why should *I* take them blame for that?! Why shouldn't I be allowed to bring my well-behaved dogs in a store? Its the same thing like with bully breeds, because others aren't responsible with their dogs and bites and whatnot have happened, then others who are responsible have to deal with other people's mistakes in the sake of having their breed banned or pts or not allowed in their home/apartment. Have you seen the picture of all the 'pit bulls' that have been pts, because they've been banned? And what have them done wrong? NOTHING, but be someone's beloved pet and be born the 'wrong' breed.

Seems silly to me to blame everyone, when not everyone is irresponsible with their dog. It should be on a case-by-case, not broad judgement that people who bring their dogs in stores don't clean up after or whatever the case is.

Lets ban kids from stores while we're at it. I've seen more store mishaps from a kid than a dog my whole lifetime. Speaking of I never seen a dog break a store's item or messed up the shoe rack in a shoe store after I just rearranged it, grr lol minor rant there. I mean because a couple of kids are unruly and their parents allow them, should then everyone else with kids suffer the consequences? Doesn't seem fair now does it?

As I said - what I say is my opinion.

Irresponsible - because you (or anybody) is thinking of yourself/themselves, and not the safety and comfort of the patrons who do not bring their dogs in a store. People go to stores to shop. Why do dogs go to stores? Certainly not to shop - only because their owner takes them along. And yes - children go to stores but not to shop. They go with their parents or another adult because they cannot be left at home. You can leave your dog home but choose not to, so doggie tags along only because his owner wants him there. Even when I go to Petsmart, my dogs ride in a cart and do not walk beside me. I would rather be safe than sorry. And yes - I do realize that not all dogs are of a size to ride in a cart!

No one said you should take the blame for someone else's dog. If you were to sit your well behaved dog next to one not so well behaved, could I tell the difference just by looking at them. Of course not! Can a store owner tell the difference? Of course not! It would be next to impossible to judge if the dog is store friendly, and could not be done on a case by case basis. And I'm not singling out a particular breed either. I've come across a couple of very loveable pits (in my limited exposure to them), and some very nasty and ill tempered little dogs. The size or the breed is not the issue.

Perhaps it's my age showing here, and I'm not in tune to the changing times. I know that I'm a whole lot older than most here. I was brought up in a different generation that had a different set of values and a lot more respect for others. Somehow, those values have changed, and us old dinosaurs haven't. So I will stick to my beliefs on issues, but I harbour no hard feelings toward those who think differently than I do.

Just remember, there is usually no right or wrong, or black or white, but somewhere in between those extremes, there can be a happy medium.

[Candy317]

As I said - what I say is my opinion.

Irresponsible - because you (or anybody) is thinking of yourself/themselves, and not the safety and comfort of the patrons who do not bring their dogs in a store. People go to stores to shop. Why do dogs go to stores? Certainly not to shop - only because their owner takes them along. And yes - children go to stores but not to shop. They go with their parents or another adult because they cannot be left at home. You can leave your dog home but choose not to, so doggie tags along only because his owner wants him there. Even when I go to Petsmart, my dogs ride in a cart and do not walk beside me. I would rather be safe than sorry. And yes - I do realize that not all dogs are of a size to ride in a cart!

No one said you should take the blame for someone else's dog. If you were to sit your well behaved dog next to one not so well behaved, could I tell the difference just by looking at them. Of course not! Can a store owner tell the difference? Of course not! It would be next to impossible to judge if the dog is store friendly, and could not be done on a case by case basis. And I'm not singling out a particular breed either. I've come across a couple of very loveable pits (in my limited exposure to them), and some very nasty and ill tempered little dogs. The size or the breed is not the issue.

Perhaps it's my age showing here, and I'm not in tune to the changing times. I know that I'm a whole lot older than most here. I was brought up in a different generation that had a different set of values and a lot more respect for others. Somehow, those values have changed, and us old dinosaurs haven't. So I will stick to my beliefs on issues, but I harbour no hard feelings toward those who think differently than I do.

Just remember, there is usually no right or wrong, or black or white, but somewhere in between those extremes, there can be a happy medium.

I see in no point to even mention pit bulls after saying 'I'm not singling out a particular breed either'...you could of just said I've met very loveable dogs and some nasty dogs. Very contradicting statement there.

I'm not thinking about myself, I'm thinking about my dogs. Socialization and not leaving them bored in the house are two reasons why. As for safety of other people. I have my dogs on a leash of which I'm in FULL control of, that alone is safety for others. As for me I know my dogs would not feel comfortable in a cart (ouchie their paws) nor a tote bag, so thats why I allowed them to walk on a leash, but thats just me and because my dogs like to walk.

You can't tell if a dog is dog park friendly either, but once the dog starts to act up, the owner is asked to leave, same rules should apply in a store setting.

[Aidan]

I don't think I would take my dogs into a store without knowing if I could or not but I do not look down on others who do as long as their dogs are well behaved. I think they are doing it for the right reasons wanting to socialize their dogs and have them out with them at all times. Just makes for an overall more balanced dog, setting them up to be comfortable in all situations.

[Candy317]

I don't think I would take my dogs into a store without knowing if I could or not but I do not look down on others who do as long as their dogs are well behaved. I think they are doing it for the right reasons wanting to socialize their dogs and have them out with them at all times. Just makes for an overall more balanced dog, setting them up to be comfortable in all situations.

Thanks for your post!

[Candy317]

I've even brought my dogs to college with me on a couple of occasions, usually for a presentation, once about dog massage and another of dog therapy. They sat through the whole class, not making one peep, and some students that came in late was suprised when it was time to leave that I had a dog with me the whole time! The dean and everyone in the school loved it when I brought them.