another Mike Vick thread

[Medusa]

Well that does NOTHING then. and animal abuse goes on and on.

Not by Michael Vick it wouldn't! Why should we have to indulge these people and listen to their lame excuses about their conduct? There was no remorse in his explanation, just a big fat grin on his face. We know what abuse does and IF he experienced any in his own life, then there are places that he can go to get help rather than to turn his rage on helpless, defenseless animals. I'm a forgiving person by nature but Vick needs forgiveness from the victims. And they can't give it b/c they're DEAD.

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Not by Michael Vick it wouldn't! Why should we have to indulge these people and listen to their lame excuses about their conduct? There was no remorse in his explanation, just a big fat grin on his face. We know what abuse does and IF he experienced any in his own life, then there are places that he can go to get help rather than to turn his rage on helpless, defenseless animals. I'm a forgiving person by nature but Vick needs forgiveness from the victims. And they can't give it b/c they're DEAD.

It is extremely difficult for anyone besides dogmen to justify dogfighting. Law enforcement officials that penetrate the clandestine subculture are routinely sickened by the macabre blood sport. American culture has criminalized dogfighting and stigmatizes those deviant enough to engage in it. Our collective American consciousness is repulsed by dog-fighting with much the same disdain that we feel for child molesters. One study, published in Society and Animals, attempted offer a rare glimpse into the psyche of the prototypical dogman and to rationalize the behavior that to the rest of us is incontrovertibly perverse. According to the study, there are five major techniques that dogmen employ to justify dogfighting: (1) denial of the victim; (2) denial of responsibility; (3) denial of injury; (4) appeal to higher loyalties; and (5) condemnation of the condemners. (1) Denial of the Victim: Most dogmen adamantly deny that the dogs are victimized by the culture of dogfighting. The dogs are glorified as fighting machines with insatiable blood-lust.

[Medusa]

Denial of the Victim: Most dogmen adamantly deny that the dogs are victimized by the culture of dogfighting. The dogs are glorified as fighting machines with insatiable blood-lust.

Ok. So? It seems to me that you've proven our point. They DENY and any further discussion w/them, IMO, is pointless. Let 'em deny it all in prison where they belong and where they can't abuse and kill other helpless animals. Stricter laws and enforcement of those laws and less coddling of celebrities and athletes will help to eradicate abuse, not trying to learn from someone who denies any wrongdoing in the first place.

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Ok. So? It seems to me that you've proven our point. They DENY and any further discussion w/them, IMO, is pointless. Let 'em deny it all in prison where they belong and where they can't abuse and kill other helpless animals. Stricter laws and enforcement of those laws and less coddling of celebrities and athletes will help to eradicate abuse, not trying to learn from someone who denies any wrongdoing in the first place.

Excellent point by the way! see we're actually kinda on the same page

[kokopup]

Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat’.”
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Most people give credit where credit is due. I think Teddy would have.

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It is from our late President Theodore Roosevelt.

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Dogfighters often see themselves as a misunderstood group, victims of cultural genocide. “Dogfighting is a part of this culture. You don't change culture. It dies but it does not change. Dogfighting, cockfighting, fishing, hunting are all parts of our heritage. We have seen many intruders try to change us, it's always outsiders...but we are just ordinary folk who are different in some ways.


you see people of pet talk, Ive asked all the questions before. I just want to see how ya'll work it here. every one has a cute pet here that lives in a nice warm house, gets good food and vet care. you are less than 10 percent of animal owners

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Medusa
this is not going to go away in our lifetime and your not even going to see a dent taken out of it anytime soon. you can sit here and say whatever you want about it but its not doing anything to help. do you want me to post some of my pics of dogs all duct taped up for bait? or the looks on the dogs faces right before theyre put down cuz they had their throats torn out?
Ill tell you what, Ill take care of it with out you. you just take care of what you have and Ill be ok with it

[Medusa]

Medusa
this is not going to go away in our lifetime and your not even going to see a dent taken out of it anytime soon. you can sit here and say whatever you want about it but its not doing anything to help. do you want me to post some of my pics of dogs all duct taped up for bait? or the looks on the dogs faces right before theyre put down cuz they had their throats torn out?
Ill tell you what, Ill take care of it with out you. you just take care of what you have and Ill be ok with it

I don't need to see pix of what I already know exists. And b/c I see no value in talking w/Vick doesn't mean that I'm complacent either. You seem to like to boast about what you've done but you aren't specific about what it is. I think you like to blow your own horn. Showing pix means nothing. You asked for opinions, you got 'em. If you don't like those opinions, oh well. To denigrate others b/c they aren't in the trenches as you claim to be tells me that you're a legend in your own mind. You don't know anything about me or others that have posted here on PT and your comments are uncalled for and unacceptable. We have as much compassion as you do; we just don't brag that we're out there "taking care of it". Those who talk the most usually do the least. Those who talk the least usually do the most. As for me, I think I'll take the high road and leave this discussion since it hasn't led anywhere.