another Mike Vick thread

[Medusa]

No. I would not be interested in hearing about his past or his upbringing or any such stories that he might try to con people with so that he could evoke sympathy. Yes, we are a "product of our raising" as a country song states but there comes a point in life where we have to take responsibility for our own conduct and stop placing blame. Vick KNOWS that what he did to those dogs was not only wrong but reprehensible and any attempt to make us believe otherwise is an insult to our intelligence. He has nothing of value to offer any one as far as I'm concerned and his name, face and reputation should be erased from our collective memory and all trace of him eradicated forever.

[moosmom]

Mary,

You, my dear, have said it so well!!!!!

[redog]

No. I would not be interested in hearing about his past or his upbringing or any such stories that he might try to con people with so that he could evoke sympathy. Yes, we are a "product of our raising" as a country song states but there comes a point in life where we have to take responsibility for our own conduct and stop placing blame. Vick KNOWS that what he did to those dogs was not only wrong but reprehensible and any attempt to make us believe otherwise is an insult to our intelligence. He has nothing of value to offer any one as far as I'm concerned and his name, face and reputation should be erased from our collective memory and all trace of him eradicated forever.

Well that does NOTHING then. and animal abuse goes on and on.

[pomtzu]

Well that does NOTHING then. and animal abuse goes on and on.

Well what would you do, since you brought up the subject to start with???

It seems the majority here, wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole. IMO - Vick couldn't explain away his actions, if he lived to be 150. Unfortunately, he is just one lousy drop in a sea of sickos. He just happened to be rich and famous when he got caught, otherwise his actions would have gone unnoticed, and he would still be doing the same horrible things that he did before.

So would you like to go one on one with him, to see what makes him tick??? What would you ask him???

[redog]

Well what would you do, since you brought up the subject to start with??

So would you like to go one on one with him, to see what makes him tick??? What would you ask him???

I have gone one on one with many dogfighters. not by choice but by my desire to eraticate abusers. I have seen the mess and cleaned it up. what have you done besides what your doing here?

[Medusa]

I have gone one on one with many dogfighters. not by choice but by my desire to eraticate abusers. I have seen the mess and cleaned it up. what have you done besides what your doing here?

Well then maybe you'd like to tell us here what exactly it is that you've done to "clean up the mess" other than make an open ended remark. I've not seen any news stories that dog fighting has been eradicated unless I've missed something.

[pomtzu]

I have gone one on one with many dogfighters. not by choice but by my desire to eraticate abusers. I have seen the mess and cleaned it up. what have you done besides what your doing here?

Well what did you do to clean it up? Do you mean that the dog fighters gave up their evil ways because of what you said or did???

You started the thread, asking what people would ask Sick Vick. Normally here, people start a thread - tell what they would do or give an opinion on a certain issue - and then ask for input from other posters. You seem to be working backwards.

[redog]

Well what did you do to clean it up? Do you mean that the dog fighters gave up their evil ways because of what you said or did???

You started the thread, asking what people would ask Sick Vick. Normally here, people start a thread - tell what they would do or give an opinion on a certain issue - and then ask for input from other posters. You seem to be working backwards.

I asked a question to see if there was anyone here with any input. I also asked to put all hatred and discust aside. but you didnt seem to get that part either

[Karen]

I would talk with Michael Vick. I am capable of holding my temper in check for the sake of a greater good. I would ask him what he thinks can be done to change the "culture" of dog fighting. If he used the claim that "it's just part of our culture," I'd remind him that slavery used to be part of the culture here, too - and we changed that! That child labor used to be part of culture - and we changed that. Just because something is 'part of our culture' does not mean it is good and should be protected. I would also ask him how he initially got into it, and if he has since done any work in the neighborhood he grew up in, in the city he started in, to change and eradicate dog fighting, and if not, I would ask why.

Any opportunity to combat evil is worth it, in my mind.

[pomtzu]

Well - you still can't seem to tell us what you did to clean it up. I didn't realize it was cleaned up.

I'll not continue this since it is getting confrontational. For some reason, there has been an influx of folks from other forums lately, that have come here for the purpose of stirring things up.

I won't be suckered into a situation/argument/debate by these individuals, since no matter what any of the long time members here say, they are wrong.

[Daisy and Delilah]

I have gone one on one with many dogfighters. not by choice but by my desire to eraticate abusers. I have seen the mess and cleaned it up. what have you done besides what your doing here?

Are you a police officer? Animal control officer? How did you get in a position to go one on one with so many dogfighters? Please give us some history.

[Medusa]

Well that does NOTHING then. and animal abuse goes on and on.

Not by Michael Vick it wouldn't! Why should we have to indulge these people and listen to their lame excuses about their conduct? There was no remorse in his explanation, just a big fat grin on his face. We know what abuse does and IF he experienced any in his own life, then there are places that he can go to get help rather than to turn his rage on helpless, defenseless animals. I'm a forgiving person by nature but Vick needs forgiveness from the victims. And they can't give it b/c they're DEAD.

[redog]

Not by Michael Vick it wouldn't! Why should we have to indulge these people and listen to their lame excuses about their conduct? There was no remorse in his explanation, just a big fat grin on his face. We know what abuse does and IF he experienced any in his own life, then there are places that he can go to get help rather than to turn his rage on helpless, defenseless animals. I'm a forgiving person by nature but Vick needs forgiveness from the victims. And they can't give it b/c they're DEAD.

It is extremely difficult for anyone besides dogmen to justify dogfighting. Law enforcement officials that penetrate the clandestine subculture are routinely sickened by the macabre blood sport. American culture has criminalized dogfighting and stigmatizes those deviant enough to engage in it. Our collective American consciousness is repulsed by dog-fighting with much the same disdain that we feel for child molesters. One study, published in Society and Animals, attempted offer a rare glimpse into the psyche of the prototypical dogman and to rationalize the behavior that to the rest of us is incontrovertibly perverse. According to the study, there are five major techniques that dogmen employ to justify dogfighting: (1) denial of the victim; (2) denial of responsibility; (3) denial of injury; (4) appeal to higher loyalties; and (5) condemnation of the condemners. (1) Denial of the Victim: Most dogmen adamantly deny that the dogs are victimized by the culture of dogfighting. The dogs are glorified as fighting machines with insatiable blood-lust.

[Medusa]

Denial of the Victim: Most dogmen adamantly deny that the dogs are victimized by the culture of dogfighting. The dogs are glorified as fighting machines with insatiable blood-lust.

Ok. So? It seems to me that you've proven our point. They DENY and any further discussion w/them, IMO, is pointless. Let 'em deny it all in prison where they belong and where they can't abuse and kill other helpless animals. Stricter laws and enforcement of those laws and less coddling of celebrities and athletes will help to eradicate abuse, not trying to learn from someone who denies any wrongdoing in the first place.

[redog]

Ok. So? It seems to me that you've proven our point. They DENY and any further discussion w/them, IMO, is pointless. Let 'em deny it all in prison where they belong and where they can't abuse and kill other helpless animals. Stricter laws and enforcement of those laws and less coddling of celebrities and athletes will help to eradicate abuse, not trying to learn from someone who denies any wrongdoing in the first place.

Excellent point by the way! see we're actually kinda on the same page