Is the President attempting to indoctrinate children?

[Lady's Human]

Another very marxist concept from the founders:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Which is what I was referring to when you brought up the specter of Marxism.

If providing an education isn't promoting the general welfare, I don't know what is.

[blue]

What part of I dont want a pissing contest dont you get?

Yes promoting the general welfare for individuals is a good thing, not promoting the greater good for the sake of the greater good. Again I agree. Promoting general welfare, on its own, is not a Marxist concept.

You brought up a quote by Mr Adams in response to my specter of Marxism, a quote that I agreed with.

ETA: If you want a pissing contest over my replys to post #43 or 45, you can go cross swords with someone else. I agreed with you on following posts, its rare that someone argues with me for agreeing with them.

[Puckstop31]

Another very marxist concept from the founders:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Which is what I was referring to when you brought up the specter of Marxism.

If providing an education isn't promoting the general welfare, I don't know what is.

PROMOTE is a very different word than PROVIDE. From what I have read and understand about the men... They wanted conditions that allowed the people to take care of themselves, with the absolute minimal government interference, especially from the Federal level.

But as I have said before.... I get the concept of public schools, provided it is funded and managed from the most local level possible.

[Lady's Human]

Yes, Promote is very different than provide, however,providing a basic level of education to all citizens (give a man a fish/teach a man to fish) would definitely be promoting the general welfare of the state. I would again refer you to the Constitution of 1780 of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, written by Pres. Adams. If a founder didn't have an idea of what the founders wanted, who does?

[lizbud]

This update just in...............

The Tonight Show
Conan O'Brien: President Obama plans to make a televised speech to the nation's students during school hours. Many Republicans are planning to keep their kids home from school in protest. As a result, those kids have voted Obama "Best President Ever."