Is the President attempting to indoctrinate children?

[blue]

Yeah, John Adams was one hell of a Marxist.

Pres. Adams wrote the Massachusetts State Constitution of 1780, which served as the role model for much of the rest of the United States.

To quote:


Chapter V, Section II.
The Encouragement of Literature, etc.

Wisdom, and knowledge, as well as virtue, diffused generally among the body of the people, being necessary for the preservation of their rights and liberties; and as these depend on spreading the opportunities and advantages of education in the various parts of the country, and among the different orders of the people, it shall be the duty of legislatures and magistrates, in all future periods of this commonwealth, to cherish the interests of literature and the sciences, and all seminaries of them; especially the university at Cambridge, public schools and grammar schools in the towns; to encourage private societies and public institutions, rewards and immunities, for the promotion of agriculture, arts, sciences, commerce, trades, manufactures, and a natural history of the country; to countenance and inculcate the principles of humanity and general benevolence, public and private charity, industry and frugality, honesty and punctuality in their dealings; sincerity, good humor, and all social affections, and generous sentiments among the people.

Good quote, but Mr Adams was referring to the greater good for individuals, not the Marxist ideal of the greater good for the greater good. I still agree that any education is better then none.

Chapter 5 is not first and foremost.

Blue - I think it really does behoove you to pay those dang taxes, on the local level, to provide public schools. In today's world, it is just not realistic that all parents can provide for their own kids education. But it is very important for us as a country to have a educated population. Please take into account everything else I have said in this post though. Keep fedzilla OUT of it. It would be nice if we could ditch the public school unions too. I might send Hannah to a public school then.

Actually I have much less issues with my property taxes going to public schools since I moved out of Anchorage. The Mat Su Borough has much less waste and frivolous spending then A-Town when it comes to the public school system.

[Lady's Human]

First and foremost:

Primarily.

As in the primary place that a public education system is codified is in the constitutions of the states of the United States of America.

The state assuring the greater good for individuals........hmmmmmm......

I know perfectly well what Pres. Adams was referring to, you seem to miss the concept completely. There is nothing Marxist about what I stated, and there cannot, by definition, be anything Marxist about what Pres. Adams was stating.

[blue]

First and foremost:

Primarily.

Im not trying to start a pissing contest.

I know perfectly well what Pres. Adams was referring to, you seem to miss the concept completely. There is nothing Marxist about what I stated, and there cannot, by definition, be anything Marxist about what Pres. Adams was stating.

I agreed with you on that. Adams was stating for the individual, absoloutely nothing marxist in his quote.

[Lady's Human]

Another very marxist concept from the founders:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Which is what I was referring to when you brought up the specter of Marxism.

If providing an education isn't promoting the general welfare, I don't know what is.

[blue]

What part of I dont want a pissing contest dont you get?

Yes promoting the general welfare for individuals is a good thing, not promoting the greater good for the sake of the greater good. Again I agree. Promoting general welfare, on its own, is not a Marxist concept.

You brought up a quote by Mr Adams in response to my specter of Marxism, a quote that I agreed with.

ETA: If you want a pissing contest over my replys to post #43 or 45, you can go cross swords with someone else. I agreed with you on following posts, its rare that someone argues with me for agreeing with them.

[Puckstop31]

Another very marxist concept from the founders:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Which is what I was referring to when you brought up the specter of Marxism.

If providing an education isn't promoting the general welfare, I don't know what is.

PROMOTE is a very different word than PROVIDE. From what I have read and understand about the men... They wanted conditions that allowed the people to take care of themselves, with the absolute minimal government interference, especially from the Federal level.

But as I have said before.... I get the concept of public schools, provided it is funded and managed from the most local level possible.

[Lady's Human]

Yes, Promote is very different than provide, however,providing a basic level of education to all citizens (give a man a fish/teach a man to fish) would definitely be promoting the general welfare of the state. I would again refer you to the Constitution of 1780 of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, written by Pres. Adams. If a founder didn't have an idea of what the founders wanted, who does?

[lizbud]

This update just in...............

The Tonight Show
Conan O'Brien: President Obama plans to make a televised speech to the nation's students during school hours. Many Republicans are planning to keep their kids home from school in protest. As a result, those kids have voted Obama "Best President Ever."