Is the President attempting to indoctrinate children?

[Karen]

And your original topic was accusing the President of Indoctrinating children ... and again, I asked where you would draw the line between teaching and indoctrination.

And don't you go quoting some dictionary definition at me - anyone can find a definition on the Internet - that's not what I am interesting in. For example, I didn't ask you for a textbook definition of Socialism, but your definition.

Yes, there are always children who end up illiterate, but look at the percentages of literacy in countries with public education systems, versus those without one.

[blue]

And your original topic was accusing the President of Indoctrinating children ... and again, I asked where you would draw the line between teaching and indoctrination.

And don't you go quoting some dictionary definition at me - anyone can find a definition on the Internet - that's not what I am interesting in. For example, I didn't ask you for a textbook definition of Socialism, but your definition.

Yes, there are always children who end up illiterate, but look at the percentages of literacy in countries with public education systems, versus those without one.

Where did I accuse the president of anything? I asked a question.

Sorry to pull a lefty tactic but you left it open.

My definition of socialism?

Instead of teaching a man to fish, you take, by force, fish from the fisherman and give it to those who dont know how to fish.

Socialism is a forced, false, system of equality.

ETA: How in the heck did socialism become part of this discussion? It wasnt even part of my OP!
Further ETA: I brought socialism into this dang it.

[Grace]

ETA: How in the heck did socialism become part of this discussion? It wasnt even part of my OP!
Further ETA: I brought socialism into this dang it.

[blue]

My thread lady, not yours. It doesnt change the fact that the public school system is a socialist system.

[Grace]

My thread lady, not yours.

Quoted before you edited -

natürlich, mein herr

[blue]

natürlich, mein herr

"Of course, my wonderful"???

[Grace]

"Of course, my wonderful"???

Try mine sir. Meaning you are male, as opposed to female.

[Karen]

Where did I accuse the president of anything? I asked a question.

"Is the President attempting to indoctrinate children?"

is your title of this thread, so while technically you are asking a question, you are implying an accusation.

Sorry to pull a lefty tactic but you left it open.

My definition of socialism?

Instead of teaching a man to fish, you take, by force, fish from the fisherman and give it to those who dont know how to fish.

Socialism is a forced, false, system of equality.

And so how are public schools socialism? Ain't no American school that turns out all "equal" students, but they do attempt at least to provide students with a a basic education, to do with what they will.

And your definition of socialism sounds more like communism to me.

[blue]

"Is the President attempting to indoctrinate children?"

is your title of this thread, so while technically you are asking a question, you are implying an accusation.

Asking questions is now accusatory? I did not attach my own bias to the question, nor did I imply my bias to the question.

And so how are public schools socialism? Ain't no American school that turns out all "equal" students, but they do attempt at least to provide students with a a basic education, to do with what they will.

Not socialism, its a socialist system. Take from everybody to benifit a few.

And your definition of socialism sounds more like communism to me.

The end result is the same, so why split hairs?

[Karen]

Asking questions is now accusatory? I did not attach my own bias to the question, nor did I imply my bias to the question.

Not asking a question, the word choice holds its own bias.

Do not these three questions sound different?

"Is the President trying to indoctrinate children?"
"Is the President trying to teach children?"
"Is the President trying to speak to children?"

Not socialism, its a socialist system. Take from everybody to benifit a few.

How does public education "benefit a few?"

The end result is the same, so why split hairs?

Wars have been fought over socialism versus communism. I hardly call that splitting hairs.

[blue]

Not asking a question, the word choice holds its own bias.

Do not these three questions sound different?

"Is the President trying to indoctrinate children?"
"Is the President trying to teach children?"
"Is the President trying to speak to children?"

The title of the linked poll is "Is President Barack Obama attempting to indoctrinate children with his upcoming back-to-school speech?". Ild say the title of this thread is much less biased.

How does public education "benefit a few?"

More taxpayers then students.

Wars have been fought over socialism versus communism. I hardly call that splitting hairs.

Wars have been fought over liberty versus tyranny, socialism and communism have more in common then not. I would call it splitting hairs.

[Lady's Human]

For someone who is normally strict a constructionist, your stance on public education is puzzling.

It is mandated, first and foremost ,in the constitutions of the many states. This is the ultimate expression of states' rights, as Washington D.C. has helped enforce educational requirements in the state constitutions. Just as certain federal agencies are mandated through the US Constitution and taxes/revenue collection methods are mandated to maintain them, education requirements and taxes to fund them are mandated in state constitutions.