Michael Jackson Dead

[Daisy and Delilah]

Sorry to dig up this thread, but, I have to ask my family here if anybody has thought about this:
Tonight on E News, I'm hearing about the drug cocktail that Michael was given, by injection, before his death. I'm not sure how they could have proved this was given in injection. How would they know that?

The drugs listed were Valium @ 1:00 a.m. Ativan 2 mg. @ 3:00, a little later another injection of Valium, later, another injection of Ativan . 2 injections of Versed thrown in there somewhere. Then the IV of Propofol(I hope I'm spelling all these drugs correctly).

All of these drugs were given one right after another. If anyone here has experienced any of these drugs like I have, this many drugs would kill a horse. Unless, the person's system was so used to these types of drugs in these amounts. How could skinny little MJ have tolerated so many drugs over any period of time and still need something to make him sleep? Is it possible that he had used the drugs for so long, his body was immune?

One of the baffling things is that he was still awake, supposedly, after all these first 6 doses, and, the Propofol had to be given to knock him out. He must have been abusing for a very very long time.

My biggest beef with them charging the doctor is, how does anyone know for sure what Michael took by mouth before the other drugs were given? I mean drugs that were in pill bottles in his medicine cabinet and there for the taking. Suppose the doctor thought he was giving him a couple of small doses and Michael was swallowing pills left and right on his own.

Being the devil's advocate here, I can't help but wonder if the doctor may be charged with Michael's death without everything taken into consideration. That would be a shame.

I know there are toxicology reports done and results are available. I still can't figure out how the authorities know how and when all the drugs were ingested by Michael. Were there needles there on the premises that were tested? I just shudder to think that the media has once again ruined the lives of some people here that might be innocent.

If I go to the hospital to have surgery. The doctor tells me to take only my blood pressure pills and nothing else. Instead, I am in pain and I take three pain pills and 2 tranquilizers to calm my jitters. At the hospital the doctor gives me Propofol to knock me out and I die on the table.
Whose fault is my death?

Feedback welcomed and appreciated because this thing is driving me crazy.

[blue]

MJ gets 15 pages?

Les Paul gets just six posts on this board.

[Catty1]

Les Paul was 94.

[blue]

Les Paul was 94.

Les Paul did more for the music industry and our music culture then MJ did hands down.

[Catty1]

D&D:

Attached is a copy of the search warrant affadavit. On p 9 you will find Dr Murray's description of how he administered drugs for the two nights leading up to Michael's death, removing Propofol from the mix. On the third night, the removal did not work (and he had given a lesser amount of the other drugs, if I recall correctly).

[Catty1]

blue, I agree with you.

Les Paul was an innovator, a genius, a creator. His performances were entertaining.

Jackson was an entertainer per se, and grew up in the generation that had a very different star-making machine.

It's a bit of an apple and orange comparison, IMO - Jackson, however fairly or otherwise - commanded worldwide attention and fandom.

Les Paul didn't need a dad to beat him into perfection - he was that already, innately. And I get the feeling he wouldn't have wanted the adulation and being a "star".

The Jackson kids - out-front entertainers, performers, with colour and glitz...like Elvis (who wrote half of one of his own songs). Different path.

A hybrid of the two paths might be found in the Beatles, where showmanship and creative talent both blended well and successfully.

[blue]

blue, I agree with you.

Les Paul was an innovator, a genius, a creator. His performances were entertaining.

Jackson was an entertainer per se, and grew up in the generation that had a very different star-making machine.

It's a bit of an apple and orange comparison, IMO - Jackson, however fairly or otherwise - commanded worldwide attention and fandom.

Les Paul didn't need a dad to beat him into perfection - he was that already, innately. And I get the feeling he wouldn't have wanted the adulation and being a "star".

The Jackson kids - out-front entertainers, performers, with colour and glitz...like Elvis (who wrote half of one of his own songs). Different path.

A hybrid of the two paths might be found in the Beatles, where showmanship and creative talent both blended well and successfully.

Mr Paul gave us much more then MJ did. Also Mr Paul wasnt creepy.

The Beatles sucked, but thats a different thread.

[Daisy and Delilah]

The Beatles sucked??? OMG!! If I had time I would argue that one for myself. I loved the Beatles!!

I also agree with you, blue. MJ has been given more attention than 50 people put together. The media gathers around what people want to hear. Les Paul was a genius among us. I'm really sorry that Mr. Paul, and others, have not, and never will, get the attention that MJ has had.

You guys are awesome!! Thanks to everybody that explained this to me. We have some great people on this board.

I have often thought about this happening to me. The question that Richard quoted has not been an actual scenario for me but I have taken one pain pill before surgery when that wasn't instructed. Knowing how powerful anesthesia is, I was worried.

With what the doctor has admitted to doing and what Richard explained, it seems no stone has been unturned here and the doctor being charged may be warranted. I am shocked as to all the drugs he gave him and sat there and monitored him. Then it says he went to relieve himself only?? Shouldn't MJ have been showing signs of distress already? It sounds like the doctor was playing with fire. If MJ would have been relaxed enough, the first couple of pills should have knocked him out. That's a lot of drugs to give one skinny man.

Thanks for the affadavit, Candace. That's fantastic!!

[Daisy and Delilah]

I have another crazy question: Why didn't the doctor just start with the Propofol and forget the other mega doses of drugs? He knew the Propofol would knock him out. We will probably never know the answer to this question.

[RICHARD]

If I go to the hospital to have surgery. The doctor tells me to take only my blood pressure pills and nothing else. Instead, I am in pain and I take three pain pills and 2 tranquilizers to calm my jitters. At the hospital the doctor gives me Propofol to knock me out and I die on the table.
Whose fault is my death?

Feedback welcomed and appreciated because this thing is driving me crazy.

NOT that I know anything about "legal" drugs????

This is a great question.

If MJ was abusing legal drugs it's up to the doc to say, "DUDE, no way!"

The allure of money and being the "doc of the stars" is very appealing.

Any 'professional" will chart what is given and when, because this MD was working for MJ you would think he was noting what was given, when and how much. It still don't pass the smell test, but maybe he was charting for his own protection?

When drugs are scanned for in a live or dead body, they use a baseline to figure what is in the body.

They test the liver-that breaks down drugs and alcohol in the body and when they 'see' what the find in a biopsy, they can be sure of what was taken by the amount, weight of the person and their history!

The liver metabolizes chemicals and alcohol at a certain rate, if you have seen a BAC chart.

http://www.ou.edu/oupd/bac.htm

When an autopsy is done on a body?

The officials can do a 'backwards' check on the amount or percentage of the drug found on the body.

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When you have surgery you do a face to face with your surgeon or a anesthesiologist.

They will ask you if you smoke, drink or if you are 'medicated'.

You can lie and say you do not smoke or say that you don't drink a 30 pack of Pabst Blue Ribbon a day, but that is up to you and your family-in case you croak on the table!