Never Thought I'd See This Day

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I think Vietnam was a eye opening event to a lot of people. The war was
"served up" at dinner time via TV. It quicking lost favor as folks saw the
bloody reality of war.


Calley & the others should be haunted by what they did. And the old "following orders" line doesn't work for them.The US didn't allow
the Nazi solders that defense either.

War wasnt served up on the radio or at the movies during the World Wars? Granted Im not old enough to even remeber the Viet Nam War, but didnt they have nightly news broadcasts and news reels at the movies during the WWs?

Wasnt it during Viet Nam that the nightly news stopped being objective and started injecting opinions?

I have never understood. If a man responsible for murdering 500 old men, women and children in this country was given a sentence of three years house arrest the masses would be howling.

But at least it began to open peoples' eyes...

I find his statement at this point still self-serving and inadequate. He is bothered by what happened that day...he does not say he is bothered by what he did. "foolishly I guess"...still a weasel.

I agree with you that he got off way too light, and that more then his CO should have been tried for CM.

However you seemed to have skipped over this,

"There is not a day that goes by that I do not feel remorse for what happened that day in My Lai, I feel remorse for the Vietnamese who were killed, for their families, for the American soldiers involved and their families. I am very sorry."

In case you dont understand the meaning of remorse.

re⋅morse
1. deep and painful regret for wrongdoing; compunction.
2. Obsolete. pity; compassion.

I find it funny that liberals, Not ES or Lizbud, think that child molesters can be rehabilitated, but dont think that a Viet Nam Vet can be bothered, feel remore, or be personally tortured for what they did in a horrific situation.




How sweet, my quote is in your sig. You still arent a cougar, and nothing you can ever say will change that. Ive seen your picture.

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I find it funny that liberals, Not ES or Grace, think that child molesters can be rehabilitated, but dont think that a Viet Nam Vet can be bothered, feel remore, or be personally tortured for what they did in a horrific situation.

You show me where anyone here has EVER said a child molester can be rehabilitated...and I will stop calling you a mindless, spineless twit.

I do not know how someone who murdered more people than Charles Manson can EVER show sufficient remorse.

Take your tasteless crap..."liberals think this ...liberals think that"...you don't know the meaning of the word "think" and put it where it and you belong! Because you do not get it.

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You show me where anyone here has EVER said a child molester can be rehabilitated...and I will stop calling you a mindless, spineless twit.

I do not know how someone who murdered more people than Charles Manson can EVER show sufficient remorse.

Take your tasteless crap..."liberals think this ...liberals think that"...you don't know the meaning of the word "think" and put it where it and you belong! Because you do not get it.

No. I cant take your blinders off, you have to do that for yourself. If you truely think for yourself, why are you deffending "liberals"? I deliberately excluded you from being a liberal and you deliberately insult me.

I still agree, With You, that Lt. Calley got off way to lightly and that more should have a least gone through court martial proceedings.

With all the grief, attacks and insults Ive gotten on this board you call me Spineless?! Twit, go look in the mirror.

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I can see why you were kicked out of the marines and banned from other boards.

Well earned...Spineless, mindless twit.

Since you obviously are not well acquainted with US history..."At long last...have you no decency?"

Was said to Joe McCarthy...to whom you bear a strong resemblance.

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I can see why you were kicked out of the marines and banned from other boards.

Well earned...Spineless, mindless twit.

Since you obviously are not well acquainted with US history..."At long last...have you no decency?"

Was said to Joe McCarthy...to whom you bear a strong resemblance.

I have an Honorable Discharge from the USMC. Both of my ankles are messed up, I have chronic bursitus in both hips and I get zero benifits for it. Well earned indeed.

Take your blinders off. The freedoms you have exist because people where willing to fight, kill and die.

With this thread Im begining to see why you and Liz dont respect those serving as well as those who have served.

ETA: Im sure ES will make her case for my resemblance to McCarthy, otherwise she is as usual talking out of her back side.

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I have an Honorable Discharge from the USMC. Both of my ankles are messed up, I have chronic bursitus in both hips and I get zero benifits for it. Well earned indeed.

So did all of these physical problems result from the four months you were in the Marines?

Was that before or after you threw a food tray at an officer?

You post this stuff....

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So did all of these physical problems result from the four months you were in the Marines?

Was that before or after you threw a food tray at an officer?

You post this stuff....

Thanks for paying for my MRIs, bone scans, CT scan and the numerous X rays as a result of those 4 months. I thank every American tax payer for NMC SD, they did a fantastic job. Thanks for my food and clothing for those 4 months. Thanksgiving at MCRD SD sucks.

I actually got gut punched buy one of my DIs. I did box the ears of another recruit though, allmost got CMed for that. In the end it was a medical discharge I got, cant be a Marine if you cant run.

Speaking of Officers.

On the Mairne Corps Birthday 1995, the officer in charge of us broke d!cks in the medical platoon gave us a great honor. He played the Marines Hymn on his bag pipes while we sang. The officer, DIs, and most of us broke d!cks all had LES. He thanked us for the heart and pride we put into the hymn.

You cant help but spit on people who have decided the American dream is worth something.

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ETA: Im sure ES will make her case for my resemblance to McCarthy, otherwise she is as usual talking out of her back side.

I didn't intend to ...but since you asked....

Here you can find out who Joe McCarthy was.

As for your resemblance...one example...someone posted about their admiration for a guy who introduced dancing to Michael Jackson music to a prison in the Phillipines. You jumped all over her for not appreciating what a great thing this guy did. That was of course, the exact opposite of what she said.


Never let the truth or facts get in the way of a good attack!

As for it not being a war unless Congress declares it...check the US Constitution for that one.

The Boys are working really hard on this tonight! What mindless drizzle can we expect???

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You are very welcome. That is what decent Americans...heck just decent people... do for each other. We don't ask...did you get hurt because you are clumsy or inept? Did you get sick because you engage in unhealthy habits?

Face it, you hate the military and those that join up to serve. Your constant insults of those who have served or joined are proof enough.

We just consider adequate healthcare something everyone should have access to.

This thread isnt about Healthcare. Dont we have enough of those allready with out you mucking up other threads with your guilt and hatered?

But back on topic. Today's paper has lots in it about the release of the Lockerbie guy by the government of Scotland. I think it was wrong - especially letting him return to Libya and giving Kadaffi something to brag about.

He was responsible for the murder of 270 people and was sentenced to life in prison.

Calley was responsible for the death of 500 and was sentenced to 3 years of house arrest.

This topic isnt about Abdel Baset al-Megrahi, and your paper sucks, he was released almost a week ago. The difference between the two is one has expressed guilt and remorse for what he did, and the other is treated as a hero. Guilt and remorse isnt enough for you though is it? You have to spit on him because he was in the military.

I allready agreed with you about Calley, more then once. Is that why you have been attacking and insulting me? Your ego cant take the fact that I agree with you on something?

You don't have to be embarrassed to admit you didn't know about
Vietnam. Just admit it or don't post anything as fact unless you can
back it up with facts.

Go lay down. You learned about Viet Nam from a media that hates our military, I learned about Viet Nam from our military.

LBJ said , when he lost support from Walter Cronkite, he knew he had
lost support of the people for this war. He was the first newscaster to
speak his honest feelings of what he saw & experienced while covering
the Vietnam war.

When Cronkite injected his opinion into the news he stopped being a newscaster.

I didn't intend to ...but since you asked....

Here you can find out who Joe McCarthy was.

Twit. I know who McCarthy is. The question wasnt who he was, but for you to expound on your comparison of him and I.

And since you didnt undersatand the word expound the last time I used it.

[QUOTE=Dictionary.com]expound

1. to set forth or state in detail: to expound theories.[/QUOTE

As for your resemblance...one example...someone posted about their admiration for a guy who introduced dancing to Michael Jackson music to a prison in the Phillipines. You jumped all over her for not appreciating what a great thing this guy did. That was of course, the exact opposite of what she said.

Perhaps you missed my apology for that. Of course you did, cant have that disrailing your argument.

Now, I know this may be hard for you, in 500 of your own words or less your comparison of me to McCarthy, or you are talking out you backside yet again.

Never let the truth or facts get in the way of a good attack!

If it works for Obama it also works for you. Got it.

As for it not being a war unless Congress declares it...check the US Constitution for that one.
The Boys are working really hard on this tonight! What mindless drizzle can we expect???

Yes Viet Nam was a conflict constitutionally, but what do you thing the VC saw it as?

Yes thoughtfullness and thinking, try it instead of your sycophantic drivel.

war
–noun 1. a conflict carried on by force of arms, as between nations or between parties within a nation; warfare, as by land, sea, or air.

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I am still waiting for the day to hear Bruno Hauptmann apologize for the Lindbergh baby, What a story for Gen. Schwartzkopf to tell about the family?

And I am waiting for the gremlins to apologize for Amelia Earhart, the refs to apologize for the 72 Munich basketball game and for God to apologize for the dinosaurs.

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I have to laugh at the way people pick at the scabs of time, and when they get one big enough they pretend they got it out of the container of beef jerky at the 7-11 counter.

So are we still all effed up about a German nightclub? A Beruit Marine detachment? Some sailors on a ship named Cole? What about a innocent kid beheaded on the inter-web? A mess hall hit by a scud missile during the 1st GW? What about the C130 gunship shot down during the same fight, because they wanted to hang around and protect ground troops?

Grace has a wonderful idea posting the memorial thread about the soldiers- too bad the people who claim to "support the troops" don't get behind it.

Instead we are hashing over things from long ago and far away.

Yep, It comes down to the innocent people that are stuck between two warring factions. We can't forget them.

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So we are going to rehash a 40 year old crime and rub salt into that wound?

To borrow a "OchoCincoism"?

Adult please!

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Spitting on the military?

Please, what a effing hypocritical comment.

When the 2nd Gulf War was in full swing, people were posting that the U.S. were dropping napalm on innocent civilians and lamenting the fact that U.S. forces had killed ten zillion million people on the ground.


And never a retraction or 'Oops, I misspoke!" for posting info that they could never back up.


You are going to make a statement that YOU were waiting for an apology from a man who killed 22 people and was in charge of a group that killed almost 500?

The next time I sin or screw up I'll be sure to ask for your forgiveness.

As I told someone else....

This guy carried around the weight of 500 souls for forty years, I can barely get my crippled arse out of bed on one day, my soul is worth .5 souls-and you are going to toss his arse into the fire again?

I guess you only get compassion when you apologize and the people who didn't even know what their privates were good for back in 68 forgive you?

Lovely.

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Don't worry about where you were during the VN conflict. Most of us were stupid teend and less- we had barely figured out that our private parts had a second use and we hadn't figured out that we could communicate by talking out of our rectums.

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You still arent a cougar, and nothing you can ever say will change that. Ive seen your picture.

With not even the integrity to be insulting honestly....

What he does is type insults and color them white. Oh isn't he a clever boy?

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With not even the integrity to be insulting honestly....

What he does is type insults and color them white. Oh isn't he a clever boy?

I dont pretend to take the high road and never have, their are plenty of pretenders allready. Ill be sneaky and stick to the median, its a much more honest place to be.

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War wasnt served up on the radio or at the movies during the World Wars? Granted Im not old enough to even remeber the Viet Nam War, but didnt they have nightly news broadcasts and news reels at the movies during the WWs?

Vietnam was not a world war ,and yes they did show footage of WW2
at the movies.

Vietnam footage was shown on TV during nightly news. I saw it every
night. Check things out before you blabber on about stuff you know
nothing about.

http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/V/...ietnamonte.htm


http://australianinvolvementinvietna...television+war

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Vietnam was not a world war ,and yes they did show footage of WW2
at the movies.

Vietnam footage was shown on TV during nightly news. I saw it every
night. Check things out before you blabber on about stuff you know
nothing about.

http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/V/...ietnamonte.htm


http://australianinvolvementinvietna...television+war

Go talk down to somebody else.

I do know that every chance the liberal media got, they shoved the most horrible news possible down the publics neck during the VNW. Anything good our soldiers did in VN took a back seat to the absolute worst. We cant get real news on the TV anymore because of newscasters injecting their opinions into the news during Viet Nam.

During the World Wars, newscasters reported the news. During Viet Nam newscasters decided what was news and it has gone downhill ever since.

I understand that the lefties had a First Amendment Right to spit on our soldiers, that doesnt make it right. The soldiers yall spit on, made that Right possible.

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Since we need to educate the uneducated...

Let's start with the conflict in Vietnam was not a war. A war needs to be declared as such by Congress. Which was never done.

Reporting of WWII was without bias? Oh please. Listen to Edward R. Murrow reporting from London and you will hear some of the best reporting ever to take place. Entirely biased...entirely partisan.

Whoever said it is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought an idiot than to open your mouth and confirm it was talking to you blue!

Spitting on the military. Not me. But there were some bad guys who did some very bad things and never paid the price. They happen to wear a uniform.

The "media bias" has to be one of the biggest myths going. Was there censorship...you bet...can Americans handle the truth? I believe so. I believe the American public is intelligent enough - for the most part - to handle the truth -- good, bad or ugly. And make the decision accordingly.

And that is what happened with the Viet Nam Conflict. Once again...you "dont get it" (sic)