Never Thought I'd See This Day

[Edwina's Secretary]

Recently someone said they had a negative opinion of politicians because the first they remembered was Richard Nixon.

Lt. William Calley and My Lai were my introduction to the military. Three years of house arrest for leading the killing of 500 old men, women and children.

And no one else involved was ever tried. This should read ever convicted.

I hope he has suffered every day. An apology is not enough. At least he has lived those daysand woke those mornings to suffer. Not so the 500 whose deaths he directed.

[Catty1]

Posted by Edwina's Secretary:

And no one else involved was ever tried.

From the article:

Calley didn't deny taking part in the slayings on March 16, 1968, but insisted he was following orders from his superior, Capt. Ernest Medina — a notion Eckhardt, the former prosecutor, rejects.

Medina was also tried by a court-martial in 1971, and was acquitted of all charges.

When asked if he broke the law by obeying an unlawful order, the newspaper reported, Calley replied: "I believe that is true."

"If you are asking why I did not stand up to them when I was given the orders, I will have to say that I was a second lieutenant getting orders from my commander and I followed them — foolishly, I guess," Calley said.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Then edit my response to say "never convicted." Even worse - tried but not convicted.

[Catty1]

Yup, I agree. Unless a subordinate would just run amok with no orders.

[lizbud]

Recently someone said they had a negative opinion of politicians because the first they remembered was Richard Nixon.

I think Vietnam was a eye opening event to a lot of people. The war was
"served up" at dinner time via TV. It quicking lost favor as folks saw the
bloody reality of war.


Calley & the others should be haunted by what they did. And the old "following orders" line doesn't work for them.The US didn't allow
the Nazi solders that defense either.

[Edwina's Secretary]

I have never understood. If a man responsible for murdering 500 old men, women and children in this country was given a sentence of three years house arrest the masses would be howling.

But at least it began to open peoples' eyes...

I find his statement at this point still self-serving and inadequate. He is bothered by what happened that day...he does not say he is bothered by what he did. "foolishly I guess"...still a weasel.

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I think Vietnam was a eye opening event to a lot of people. The war was
"served up" at dinner time via TV. It quicking lost favor as folks saw the
bloody reality of war.


Calley & the others should be haunted by what they did. And the old "following orders" line doesn't work for them.The US didn't allow
the Nazi solders that defense either.

War wasnt served up on the radio or at the movies during the World Wars? Granted Im not old enough to even remeber the Viet Nam War, but didnt they have nightly news broadcasts and news reels at the movies during the WWs?

Wasnt it during Viet Nam that the nightly news stopped being objective and started injecting opinions?

I have never understood. If a man responsible for murdering 500 old men, women and children in this country was given a sentence of three years house arrest the masses would be howling.

But at least it began to open peoples' eyes...

I find his statement at this point still self-serving and inadequate. He is bothered by what happened that day...he does not say he is bothered by what he did. "foolishly I guess"...still a weasel.

I agree with you that he got off way too light, and that more then his CO should have been tried for CM.

However you seemed to have skipped over this,

"There is not a day that goes by that I do not feel remorse for what happened that day in My Lai, I feel remorse for the Vietnamese who were killed, for their families, for the American soldiers involved and their families. I am very sorry."

In case you dont understand the meaning of remorse.

re⋅morse
1. deep and painful regret for wrongdoing; compunction.
2. Obsolete. pity; compassion.

I find it funny that liberals, Not ES or Lizbud, think that child molesters can be rehabilitated, but dont think that a Viet Nam Vet can be bothered, feel remore, or be personally tortured for what they did in a horrific situation.




How sweet, my quote is in your sig. You still arent a cougar, and nothing you can ever say will change that. Ive seen your picture.

[Edwina's Secretary]

I find it funny that liberals, Not ES or Grace, think that child molesters can be rehabilitated, but dont think that a Viet Nam Vet can be bothered, feel remore, or be personally tortured for what they did in a horrific situation.

You show me where anyone here has EVER said a child molester can be rehabilitated...and I will stop calling you a mindless, spineless twit.

I do not know how someone who murdered more people than Charles Manson can EVER show sufficient remorse.

Take your tasteless crap..."liberals think this ...liberals think that"...you don't know the meaning of the word "think" and put it where it and you belong! Because you do not get it.

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You show me where anyone here has EVER said a child molester can be rehabilitated...and I will stop calling you a mindless, spineless twit.

I do not know how someone who murdered more people than Charles Manson can EVER show sufficient remorse.

Take your tasteless crap..."liberals think this ...liberals think that"...you don't know the meaning of the word "think" and put it where it and you belong! Because you do not get it.

No. I cant take your blinders off, you have to do that for yourself. If you truely think for yourself, why are you deffending "liberals"? I deliberately excluded you from being a liberal and you deliberately insult me.

I still agree, With You, that Lt. Calley got off way to lightly and that more should have a least gone through court martial proceedings.

With all the grief, attacks and insults Ive gotten on this board you call me Spineless?! Twit, go look in the mirror.

[Edwina's Secretary]

I can see why you were kicked out of the marines and banned from other boards.

Well earned...Spineless, mindless twit.

Since you obviously are not well acquainted with US history..."At long last...have you no decency?"

Was said to Joe McCarthy...to whom you bear a strong resemblance.

[Edwina's Secretary]

You still arent a cougar, and nothing you can ever say will change that. Ive seen your picture.

With not even the integrity to be insulting honestly....

What he does is type insults and color them white. Oh isn't he a clever boy?

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With not even the integrity to be insulting honestly....

What he does is type insults and color them white. Oh isn't he a clever boy?

I dont pretend to take the high road and never have, their are plenty of pretenders allready. Ill be sneaky and stick to the median, its a much more honest place to be.

[lizbud]

War wasnt served up on the radio or at the movies during the World Wars? Granted Im not old enough to even remeber the Viet Nam War, but didnt they have nightly news broadcasts and news reels at the movies during the WWs?

Vietnam was not a world war ,and yes they did show footage of WW2
at the movies.

Vietnam footage was shown on TV during nightly news. I saw it every
night. Check things out before you blabber on about stuff you know
nothing about.

http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/V/...ietnamonte.htm


http://australianinvolvementinvietna...television+war

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Vietnam was not a world war ,and yes they did show footage of WW2
at the movies.

Vietnam footage was shown on TV during nightly news. I saw it every
night. Check things out before you blabber on about stuff you know
nothing about.

http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/V/...ietnamonte.htm


http://australianinvolvementinvietna...television+war

Go talk down to somebody else.

I do know that every chance the liberal media got, they shoved the most horrible news possible down the publics neck during the VNW. Anything good our soldiers did in VN took a back seat to the absolute worst. We cant get real news on the TV anymore because of newscasters injecting their opinions into the news during Viet Nam.

During the World Wars, newscasters reported the news. During Viet Nam newscasters decided what was news and it has gone downhill ever since.

I understand that the lefties had a First Amendment Right to spit on our soldiers, that doesnt make it right. The soldiers yall spit on, made that Right possible.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Since we need to educate the uneducated...

Let's start with the conflict in Vietnam was not a war. A war needs to be declared as such by Congress. Which was never done.

Reporting of WWII was without bias? Oh please. Listen to Edward R. Murrow reporting from London and you will hear some of the best reporting ever to take place. Entirely biased...entirely partisan.

Whoever said it is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought an idiot than to open your mouth and confirm it was talking to you blue!

Spitting on the military. Not me. But there were some bad guys who did some very bad things and never paid the price. They happen to wear a uniform.

The "media bias" has to be one of the biggest myths going. Was there censorship...you bet...can Americans handle the truth? I believe so. I believe the American public is intelligent enough - for the most part - to handle the truth -- good, bad or ugly. And make the decision accordingly.

And that is what happened with the Viet Nam Conflict. Once again...you "dont get it" (sic)